Texes: the French pay 29-percent we pay 22-percent

[a_person]

Quote from bigdavediode:

URM's will never get to 40% anytime soon.

Of course not but you understand that you are comparing apples and oranges, don't you. The average legacy applicant is also infinitely more qualified than the average URM.

A real comparison would be a legacy applicant with 2000-2100 SAT score (significantly below the average for Ivy League) and a black applicant with the same score. Chances are the legacy applicant would not be admitted, chances are the black/latino one would.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from a_person:

A real comparison would be a legacy applicant with 2000-2100 SAT score (significantly below the average for Ivy League) and a black applicant with the same score. Chances are the legacy applicant would not be admitted, chances are the black/latino one would.

Well that will come as a great reassurance to all those 2100 SAT URMs who can't pay for it while the legacy admissions sail on through.

"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor, to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets and to steal bread" -- Anatole France

 

[rubibond007]

My woman is from barcelona and i I have travel all over europe since 1988 almost every year, I know a few things about europe and you are 10000%% Right! pabst.

It's the same way I bristle when dumb ass Americans parrot, "Europe hates us because of Bush. Europe LOVES Obama". Of course they do. The same way Americans and Euro-peons dislike Putin. Anyone who'll lead a weaker America or Russia gets kudos from the left. They hate us because of our gross consumption and our superior standard of living. Europe would be PUMPED to see us living in the same squaller as them.

Litmus test question: If an intelligent, well educated, articulate Turk or Algerian was running in Germany or France what percentage of the vote nationally would he get?.

BY THE WAY NOTHING IS FREE in a socialist system.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from rubibond007:

BY THE WAY NOTHING IS FREE in a socialist system.

Not free, just cheaper.

Sweden spends 9% of its GDP on health care.

Canada spends about 10% of its GDP on health care

United States spends about 15.2% of its GDP on health care, and many people don't have any coverage.

 

[a_person]

Quote from bigdavediode:

Well that will come as a great reassurance to all those 2100 SAT URMs who can't pay for it while the legacy admissions sail on through.

Actually if they can't pay for it, they don't...

Yale Cuts Costs for Families and Students...Families earning less than $60,000 annually will not make any contribution toward the cost of a child’s education, and families earning $60,000 to $120,000 will typically contribute from 1% to 10% of total family income.
And all those "bad" wealthy legacy admits will likely pay full price, subsidizing those 2100 SAT URMs.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from a_person:

Actually if they can't pay for it, they don't...

Yale Cuts Costs for Families and Students...Families earning less than $60,000 annually will not make any contribution toward the cost of a child’s education, and families earning $60,000 to $120,000 will typically contribute from 1% to 10% of total family income.
And all those "bad" wealthy legacy admits will likely pay full price, subsidizing those 2100 SAT URMs.

That's also reassuring that a modern Bush, with his 1770 SAT score legacy admission to Yale would subsidize someone who's got a 2100 SAT and low income.

Hell, it's a start.

 

[Pa(b)st Prime]

Quote from bigdavediode:

That's also reassuring that a modern Bush, with his 1770 SAT score legacy admission to Yale would subsidize someone who's got a 2100 SAT and low income.

Hell, it's a start.

Bush scored a 1206 on his SAT, 566 of 800 on verbal and 640 of 800 on math. Bush's verbal score would place him between the 84th and 92nd percentile of college-bound students, or the 93rd to 97th percentile of ALL high-school seniors taking the exams, the percentile usually used.

-- His math score would also place him between the 84th and 92nd percentile of college-bound students, or the 94th to 98th percentile of ALL high-school seniors taking the exams, the percentile usually used.

 

[Mercor]

One problem top schools have is finding enough Black and minority students with the grades and scores to match the openings they have.

So they then need to find other ways to admit black students. They next look at the social activates of students. In fact Obama became a community organizer before he went to Harvard, maybe because he did not have the grades to get in, But we will never know.

Reminds me of Kerry in 2004, the one who was running against the "dumb" Bush. Kerry refused to release his Yale grades. His grades ended up being worse the Bush.

Remember Clinton releasing all his taxes returns except for 2 years, those happened to be the Cattle years. And now Obama won’t release anything about his college time.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Bush scored a 1206 on his SAT, 566 of 800 on verbal and 640 of 800 on math. Bush's verbal score would place him between the 84th and 92nd percentile of college-bound students, or the 93rd to 97th percentile of ALL high-school seniors taking the exams, the percentile usually used.

Sigh, no Pabst:


Bush at Yale

SAT Verbal Score 566 (of 800)

SAT Math Score 640 (of 800)

http://www.insidepolitics.org/heard/heard32300.html



That's a 1206 -- putting him at about the 78% percentile. (Chart below)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT

In modern terms a guy like Bush would have about a 1770 SAT. He was accepted into Yale on a legacy admission.

Not retarded, but not magna cum laude either. (And not Yale material as they require about a 2000 to be admitted. Then he started drinking...

 

[Pa(b)st Prime]

Sigh, no Dave. For one you posted the EXACT SAME scores I did. Secondly the scoring was reconfigured even before the new tri-part. You're comparing apples to oranges. Bush would've been around 1300 if one uses your wiki data.

To find out how this score stacked up, I called Educational Testing Service, publisher of the SAT, and learned that in 1994, SAT scores had been "re-centered." To offset the steady downward drift of test scores over the years, the scoring scale was adjusted upward so that the mean score for both math and verbal was again 500 (the midpoint on a scale of 200 to 800). Those who took the test before 1994 are now entitled to add a prescribed amount to their scores to see how they compare to students today.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2310/who-was-the-stupidest-u-s-president

Quote from bigdavediode:

Sigh, no Pabst:


Bush at Yale

SAT Verbal Score 566 (of 800)

SAT Math Score 640 (of 800)

http://www.insidepolitics.org/heard/heard32300.html



That's a 1206 -- putting him at about the 78% percentile. (Chart below)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT

In modern terms a guy like Bush would have about a 1770 SAT. He was accepted into Yale on a legacy admission.

Not retarded, but not magna cum laude either. (And not Yale material as they require about a 2000 to be admitted. Then he started drinking...