Texas says it found 95,000 non-citizens on voter rolls; 58,000 have voted

[gwb-trading]

I would argue we do an excellent job investigating election fraud. We have a system with a fail rate in the millionths of a percent. And of those, the vast majority are failures to update addresses or clerical errors.

Can you name the last time that a U.S. federal attorney performed an in-depth investigation of election fraud? The only instances of this in 5 decades are the recent investigations in North Carolina and Texas.

There are no examples beyond this of large scale investigation of election fraud in the U.S. -- you can hardly call something that is never done "excellent". You don't know the failure rate in the U.S. because it never has been investigated. The only time people are picked up for election fraud in the U.S. is because they bragged about it (generally on social media). This how the recent 19 convictions in North Carolina came about for the most part. It's not like the DA had to actually do much investigation to indict in these cases.

 

[UsualName]

Can you name the last time that a U.S. federal attorney performed an in-depth investigation of election fraud? The only instances of this in 5 decades are the recent investigations in North Carolina and Texas.

There are no examples beyond this of large scale investigation of election fraud in the U.S. -- you can hardly call something that is never done "excellent". You don't know the failure rate in the U.S. because it never has been investigated. The only time people are picked up for election fraud in the U.S. is because they bragged about it (generally on social media). This how the recent 19 convictions in North Carolina came about for the most part. It's not like the DA had to actually do much investigation to indict in these cases.

Let’s say what you say is true and that those 19 people actually purposefully committed voter fraud, which I highly doubt. Out of how many votes over the course of how many elections did that happen?

 

[gwb-trading]

Let’s say what you say is true and that those 19 people actually purposefully committed voter fraud, which I highly doubt. Out of how many votes over the course of how many elections did that happen?

If you are a non-citizen and vote... then you are knowingly committing voter fraud. Bragging about it just compounds your offense because it brings it to the attention of authorities. Fortunately we finally have a federal Attorney in the Eastern District of North Carolina who finally took and interest in these cases and did not ignore them like the previous federal Attorneys.

 

[Cuddles]

If you are a non-citizen and vote... then you are knowingly committing voter fraud..

That's false

 

[gwb-trading]

That's false

If you are a non-citizen and vote if provides an immediate opportunity to join the deportation list.

It's time for liberals to stop pushing the concept that these non-citizens were just too ignorant to understand they were committing voting fraud. In fact your voter registration information states very clearly you must be a U.S. citizen in bold print that is hard to miss. All of these people knowingly committed voter fraud - in fact all their pleas agreements include a clause stating they confirm they knowingly committed voter fraud.

 

[Cuddles]

If you are a non-citizen and vote if provides an immediate opportunity to join the deportation list.

It's time for liberals to stop pushing the concept that these non-citizens were just too ignorant to understand they were committing voting fraud. In fact your voter registration information states very clearly you must be a U.S. citizen in bold print that is hard to miss. All of these people knowingly committed voter fraud - in fact all their pleas agreements include a clause stating they confirm they knowingly committed voter fraud.

In the scenario where you get locked up for knowingly committing electoral fraud on the impossibly insignificant chance your vote swings an election vs the one where people are dumb and don't know the law, I'll choose the latter every single time.

Excuse me if I don't find a plea deal where you're deported vs locked up to pump up the electoral fraud statistics as a legitimate measure.

 

[UsualName]

If you are a non-citizen and vote... then you are knowingly committing voter fraud. Bragging about it just compounds your offense because it brings it to the attention of authorities. Fortunately we finally have a federal Attorney in the Eastern District of North Carolina who finally took and interest in these cases and did not ignore them like the previous federal Attorneys.

The one guy I can find so far convicted of the 19 argues:

“The defendant was here legally for 33 years, committed no crime, got married, raised 2 kids and substantially complied with the naturalization process. But for getting fingerprinted and being sworn in he would have been a U.S. Citizen,” Iglesias continued. “This is precisely the type of case that should be resolved administratively by allowing the defendant to finish the naturalization process.”

Congratulations you guys found a guy that thought he was a citizen and made him pay a $200 fine. This gentleman was a registered republican btw.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5bbf7393e4b040bb4e7ffe54

 

[UsualName]

In the scenario where you get locked up for knowingly committing electoral fraud on the impossibly insignificant chance your vote swings an election vs the one where people are dumb and don't know the law, I'll choose the latter every single time.

No. Not knowingly.

 

[Cuddles]

No. Not knowingly.

that's what i said

 

[gwb-trading]

The one guy I can find so far convicted of the 19 argues:

“The defendant was here legally for 33 years, committed no crime, got married, raised 2 kids and substantially complied with the naturalization process. But for getting fingerprinted and being sworn in he would have been a U.S. Citizen,” Iglesias continued. “This is precisely the type of case that should be resolved administratively by allowing the defendant to finish the naturalization process.”

Congratulations you guys found a guy that thought he was a citizen and made him pay a $200 fine. This gentleman was a registered republican btw.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5bbf7393e4b040bb4e7ffe54

Yes, as I outlined earlier all the cases were settled by fine and/or probation ... and all the convicted were added to the deportation list.

His attorney can argue all he wants that the case "should be resolved administratively by allowing the defendant to finish the naturalization process.” The reality is the non-citizen is going to be deported. The concept that the person did not knowingly commit a crime falls apart when their plea agreement directly states that they confirm they knowingly committed a crime.

Anyone who has gone through the naturalization process knows when they have crossed the threshold of being a citizen... his excuse that "he thought he was citizen" rings very hollow and sounds like complete BS (which is exactly what it is).