I'm sorry, are you asking me to support the claims of our Tweeter-in-Chief?
Texas says it found 95,000 non-citizens on voter rolls; 58,000 have voted
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I'm sorry, are you asking me to support the claims of our Tweeter-in-Chief?
Is there a problem? I hear conflicting issues. GWB stated that one fraudulent vote ruins the integrity of an entire election. Fine. Then Trump's presidency is illegitimate by his own standard.
In another thread, you mention that it is okay to deny some citizens their right to vote in order to enforce voter id laws. So where is the tradeoff justifiable between preventing fraud and denying a citizen their right to vote?
No just that the hypocrisy has been popping up on both sides but sadly Trump started it by spending weeks setting up his defense to his loss that the elections were rigged, the system was flawed and then when he won, he shut up real fast and changed his story haha.
And so is every President's election since the founding of the Republic by the same applied standard.
Where did I say it is OK to deny some citizens their right to vote for any reason at all?
I'll gladly eat those words if you can reproduce them. Now, if you're claiming some lunacy such that making someone get an ID is the equivalent to denying them their right to vote, well, then I can't help you out. That's just silly nonsense.
Trump is one of the biggest flip floppers known to mankind. So what?
We, in this thread, are talking about electoral integrity. Trump is a side show.
There was no hypocrisy. We have learned beyond doubt that Trump's campaign was the subject of a dirty tricks fake dossier that was misused by the FBI to spy on the campaign. We know that the very agents investigating Trump were fanatical Hillary supporters who longed to stop Trump?
We also know that millions of illegal and fraudulent ballots were cast, mostly for Hillary.
Despite all this unfairness and attempted rigging, Trump still won.
A citizen who doesn't have an address...
And yes, every election since George Washington is illegitmate by GWB's standard. Challenge GWB on it, I'm pointing out his absurd claim.
And now I'm asking you to justify the claim that elections are so sacred that we need to be secure them from non-citizens from voting, that it is okay to deny citizens their right to vote. And if so, where is the line to how many citizens should be denied to prevent how much fraud? GWB say's one non-citizen is enough. What's your number? And how does that number stack up with the actual statistics of election fraud...
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Many other countries have clear voter id laws that prevent election fraud while not denying citizens their right to vote. The U.S. should emulate practices to prevent election fraud that are proven to work.
I have not made any absurd claims. At this point it is obvious at this point that the U.S. generally does not investigate election fraud; nor do we have a framework of photo & voter identification in place that is effective in preventing election fraud.
Citizens without addresses can register in vote in the number of different ways in the U.S. - similar to how the Census counts transient people they can register at shelters (for an address) or at public institutions to establish their residency.
It is long overdue that the U.S. improves its systems for preventing voting fraud before people lose their trust in election results. There also needs to be significant improvements in investigating election fraud as a priority -- including aggressive prosecution of those responsible -- especially parties that promote wholesale election fraud by arranging others to commit it.
I would argue we do an excellent job investigating election fraud. We have a system with a fail rate in the millionths of a percent. And of those, the vast majority are failures to update addresses or clerical errors.