Tesla 2024

Well, TSLA sales were up 38% yoy in 2023. And in Q1 2024, they sold more EV's than BYD did. Nearly 100,000 more. Down 9% from the year prior quarter, but still 100,000 more than BYD.

And btw, TSLA is still the big dog in the room. For now. BYD may take that honor in a year or so... but as it stands, TSLA sells more BEV's than any other company in the world. ~case closed

"In 2022, China EV and battery giant BYD's vehicle sales raced ahead of Tesla's. For all-battery electric vehicles (BEVs), BYD seized the crown in Q4 2023. Tesla regained that title in Q1 2024, but could soon lose that again."

"Tesla delivered 386,810 vehicles in Q1, far below even the most bearish views. That was down sharply from Q4 2023's record 484,507 EVs and off 8.5% vs. a year earlier."

"BYD announced first-quarter sales of 626,236 EVs, including 300,114 passenger BEVs. That was down sharply from Q4's 944,779 but up 13.4% vs. a year earlier. After a dismal start to 2024, BYD sold 302,459 in March alone, including 139,902 BEVs."

https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-vs-byd-ev-sales-robotaxis/
 
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"In 2022, China EV and battery giant BYD's vehicle sales raced ahead of Tesla's. For all-battery electric vehicles (BEVs), BYD seized the crown in Q4 2023. Tesla regained that title in Q1 2024, but could soon lose that again."

"Tesla delivered 386,810 vehicles in Q1, far below even the most bearish views. That was down sharply from Q4 2023's record 484,507 EVs and off 8.5% vs. a year earlier."

"BYD announced first-quarter sales of 626,236 EVs, including 300,114 passenger BEVs. That was down sharply from Q4's 944,779 but up 13.4% vs. a year earlier. After a dismal start to 2024, BYD sold 302,459 in March alone, including 139,902 BEVs."

https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-vs-byd-ev-sales-robotaxis/
Yeah... your point? You quoted exactly what I said.

TSLA outsold them by nearly 100K BEV's in Q1. But their Q1 quarterly comp was down 9%.

And until BYD sells more (not "may sell more") BEV's than TSLA --> TSLA remains #1 in the world as BEV's go. Once again... case closed.
 
Yeah... your point? You quoted exactly what I said.

TSLA outsold them by nearly 100K BEV's in Q1. But their Q1 quarterly comp was down 9%.

And until BYD sells more (not "may sell more") BEV's than TSLA --> TSLA remains #1 in the world as BEV's go. Once again... case closed.

Tesla will not be number 1 in BEVs at the end of the year based on the projections. And they were not number 1 in Q4 2023. That is the point. Telsa is sinking, revenue dropping, margins narrowing, leadership failing, and inventory increasing. This is not an example of a stock which is a buy. Day trade it, yeah sure. Long term hold. No.
 
Tesla will not be number 1 in BEVs at the end of the year based on the projections. And they were not number 1 in Q4 2023. That is the point. Telsa is sinking, revenue dropping, margins narrowing, leadership failing, and inventory increasing. This is not an example of a stock which is a buy. Day trade it, yeah sure. Long term hold. No.
2023 (Full Year) Global: Best-Selling Car Models Worldwide

2023 (January to December): the Tesla Model Y was the top-selling car model worldwide and obviously also the best-selling battery-electric vehicle globally. Despite an increase in sales volume, the Toyota RAV4 slipped from the world’s best-selling car model in 2022 to only second in 2023. It was followed by the evergreen Toyota Corolla.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
2023 (Full Year) Global: Best-Selling Car Models Worldwide

2023 (January to December): the Tesla Model Y was the top-selling car model worldwide and obviously also the best-selling battery-electric vehicle globally. Despite an increase in sales volume, the Toyota RAV4 slipped from the world’s best-selling car model in 2022 to only second in 2023. It was followed by the evergreen Toyota Corolla.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yep, mainly due to fleet sales that did not work out. Hertz being a perfect example.

You can now buy a used Tesla for just $21,000 thanks to Hertz’s fire sale
https://fortune.com/2024/06/07/buy-used-tesla-hertz-fire-sale/

Hertz’s failed bet on EVs is turning out to be a great thing for the savvy used-car buyer.

Thanks to an ill-fated plan that included buying a fleet of 100,000 Teslas right after emerging from bankruptcy, car buyers can now find various EVs below $30,0000 through the rental car company’s Hertz Car Sales division, including Teslas for as low as $21,000.

(More at the above url)
 
You can now buy a used Tesla for just $21,000 thanks to Hertz’s fire sale
https://fortune.com/2024/06/07/buy-used-tesla-hertz-fire-sale/
But do you really want to?
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/05/used-teslas-are-getting-very-cheap-but-buying-one-can-be-risky/
Used Teslas are getting very cheap, but buying one can be risky
As used Teslas drop in price, are they a bargain or buyer beware?

JONATHAN M. GITLIN - 5/29/2024, 1:48 PM

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Enlarge / Used Tesla Model 3s can be had for less than $20,000 now.
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The launch of a new electric vehicle these days is invariably met with a chorus of "this car is too expensive"—and rightfully so. But for used EVs, it's quite another story, particularly used Teslas, thanks to a glut of former fleet and rental cars that are now ready for their second owner.

"Due to a variety of reasons, Tesla resale values have plummeted, making many Tesla models very affordable now. Plus, for some consumers, an additional $4,000 Federal tax credit on used EVs may apply, sweetening the deal even further. Buying a used Tesla can be a great deal for the savvy shopper, but there are significant things to look out for," says Ed Kim, president and chief analyst at AutoPacific.

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Indeed, a quick search on the topic easily reveals some horror stories of ex-rental Teslas, so here are some things to consider if you're in search of a cheap Model 3 or Model Y.

For more than a year, Tesla has been engaged in an EV price war, mostly driven by its attempt to maintain sales in China. Heavily cutting the price of your new cars is a good way to devalue the used ones, and Hertz's decision to sell at least 20,000 of its Teslas was in part a response to the lower residual values.

What to watch for
"The prices are very appealing, but shoppers must keep in mind that rental cars can and do get abused, and some of these ex-rental units may have nasty surprises stemming from their hard lives. Be sure to have yours checked out thoroughly by a mechanic before buying," Kim says.

Many of the Teslas that Hertz is selling have been used as Ubers—you can tell it's one of these if the odometer is approaching 100,000 miles. Battery degradation could be an issue, although most cars will not have lost more than 4–5 percent capacity, and Long Range Teslas should have a powertrain warranty for up to 120,000 miles (or eight years).

"One side effect of Tesla’s widespread and reliable DC fast charging network is that many owners end up relying on it to keep their cars charged rather than dealing with the often considerable expense of installing a home charger and associated home electrical upgrades," Kim told Ars. As such, you should make sure to check the battery's health (which can be done on the touchscreen or as part of the inspection) before you buy.

Rental cars can suffer from an excess of slammed doors and trunks—slamming the latter can mess up the powered strut. In the interior, you should expect high signs of wear on some touchpoints, especially the steering wheel and the rear door cards, which can bubble or flake, particularly if the Tesla was used as a ridehailing vehicle.

Other potential headaches
Teslas are very connected cars, and many of their convenience features are accessed via smartphone apps. But that requires that Tesla's database shows you as the car's owner, and there are plenty of reports online that transferring ownership from Hertz can take time.

Unfortunately, this also leaves the car stuck in Chill driving mode (which restricts power, acceleration, and top speed) and places some car settings outside of the new owner's level of access. You also won't be able to use Tesla Superchargers while the car still shows up as belonging to Hertz. Based on forum reports, contacting Tesla directly is the way to resolve this, but it can take several days to process; longer if there's a paperwork mismatch.

$4,000 IRS used clean vehicle tax credit. It has to be at least two model years older than the calendar year in which it is bought used, so only MY2022 and earlier EVs are currently eligible, and it can't be offered for sale for more than $25,000. The income caps are also half as much as the new clean vehicle tax credit, meaning a single-filing individual can't earn more than $75,000 a year to qualify.

There are plenty of complaints among the Tesla community that Hertz wasn't set up to deal with the tax credit, although more recent buyers have reported this has gotten a lot smoother. It's worth planning ahead and contacting the specific sales branch you plan to buy the Tesla from to make sure they are able to process that paperwork, particularly if you are expecting the credit to be applied to the car's price at the point of sale rather than waiting until you file your taxes next year.

Buying an ex-rental or ex-fleet Tesla from an independent dealer is also an option. Lots of used car lots have bought Teslas at auction from Hertz and elsewhere, and online anecdotes suggest this is often a more painless experience, particularly when transferring ownership and registering the new owner with Tesla. Then again, you're more likely to encounter useless third-party warranties and the like if you go this route.

Ex-rental or fleet cars may have had a hard life, but they are also usually maintained far more regularly than most privately owned vehicles. As long as you make sure you aren't buying a lemon, it's a good way to get an EV for less than $20,000.
 

No, I don't plan to buy a used Tesla. Especially one from a rental car company (as outlined in the article).

Considering the headaches my neighbors who bought new Telsa's have endured; I can't imagine buying a used one. No matter how much it was discounted.

The reality for Tesla as a company is that this large inventory of used Tesla's on the market undermines the sales of new Tesla's in 2024.
 
Yep, mainly due to fleet sales that did not work out. Hertz being a perfect example.

You can now buy a used Tesla for just $21,000 thanks to Hertz’s fire sale
https://fortune.com/2024/06/07/buy-used-tesla-hertz-fire-sale/

Hertz’s failed bet on EVs is turning out to be a great thing for the savvy used-car buyer.

Thanks to an ill-fated plan that included buying a fleet of 100,000 Teslas right after emerging from bankruptcy, car buyers can now find various EVs below $30,0000 through the rental car company’s Hertz Car Sales division, including Teslas for as low as $21,000.

(More at the above url)
Dude... Hertz's purchase was in late 2021. And even if it was in 2023 lol.... and you subtracted 100K units.... TSLA still beat out Toyota's Rav4... an internal combustion model at that(!)... by 70,000 vehicles.

Give up friend... this isn't the politics section where you can get away with opinions. Up here, we're dealing with facts.

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Hertz is buying 100,000 Teslas

By Chris Isidore, CNN Business
3 minute read
Published 10:55 AM EDT, Mon October 25, 2021

New York CNN Business —
Hertz is betting big on electric vehicles. It’s buying 100,000 Teslas, the largest-ever order by a single buyer.

The purchase also represents the biggest move into EVs by a rental car company, by far.

“Electric vehicles are now mainstream, and we’ve only just begun to see rising global demand and interest,” said Mark Fields, the interim CEO of Hertz and former CEO of Ford. “The new Hertz is going to lead the way as a mobility company, starting with the largest EV rental fleet in North America and a commitment to grow our EV fleet.”
 
Dude... Hertz's purchase was in late 2021. And even if it was in 2023 lol.... and you subtracted 100K units.... TSLA still beat out Toyota's Rav4... an internal combustion model at that(!)... by 70,000 vehicles.

Give up friend... this isn't the politics section where you can get away with opinions. Up here, we're dealing with facts.

EDIT:


Hertz is buying 100,000 Teslas

By Chris Isidore, CNN Business
3 minute read
Published 10:55 AM EDT, Mon October 25, 2021

New York CNN Business —
Hertz is betting big on electric vehicles. It’s buying 100,000 Teslas, the largest-ever order by a single buyer.

The purchase also represents the biggest move into EVs by a rental car company, by far.

“Electric vehicles are now mainstream, and we’ve only just begun to see rising global demand and interest,” said Mark Fields, the interim CEO of Hertz and former CEO of Ford. “The new Hertz is going to lead the way as a mobility company, starting with the largest EV rental fleet in North America and a commitment to grow our EV fleet.”

As noted in the article from Fortune I posted -- most of the used Tesla's being sold at Hertz are 2022 or 2023 models. A quick glance at Hertz's used cars for sale website appears to show that over 70% of the Teslas are 2023.

"Yet Hertz’s misfortune is a dream for used-car buyers looking for a good deal. On the company’s website, potential buyers can find Teslas ranging in price from $21,000 to $36,000, the majority of which are models from 2022 and 2023."


The facts once again demonstrate that TSLA stock is not a buy. Telsa is sinking, revenue dropping, margins narrowing, leadership failing, and inventory increasing. From a technical perspective the stock chart shows a bearish descending triangle as @maxinger previously posted.

It also may be worth mentioning that the Hertz CEO was sent packing for his failed bet on Tesla EVs.
 
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As noted in the article from Fortune I posted -- most of the used Tesla's being sold at Hertz are 2022 or 2023 models. A quick glance at Hertz's used cars for sale website appears to show that over 70% of the Teslas are 2023.

"Yet Hertz’s misfortune is a dream for used-car buyers looking for a good deal. On the company’s website, potential buyers can find Teslas ranging in price from $21,000 to $36,000, the majority of which are models from 2022 and 2023."


The facts once again demonstrate that TSLA stock is not a buy. Telsa is sinking, revenue dropping, margins narrowing, leadership failing, and inventory increasing. From a technical perspective the stock chart shows a bearish descending triangle as @maxinger previously posted.

It also may be worth mentioning that the Hertz CEO was sent packing for his failed bet on Tesla EVs.
Tesla sold 28K "fleet" vehicles from July 2022 to July 2023.
A rounding error.

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~case closed
 
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