Most or all of these murderers (who murder in the name of religion, racism, gang warfare, whatever the rallying cry) are pathologically angry (probably legitimately so) because of things that happened to them back when they were in diapers. The race, religion, etc. simply becomes a convenient mechanism. It's natural for hurting people to find some way to think their hate and rage is somehow explainable or justified. But it goes back to deep, early injuries that they do not perceive.
?Terrorists don’t kill for their religion. It’s something else entirely
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Sure, I follow you. But if your religion says "Bless those who persecute you.", or "Turn the other cheek.". or "Give him your cloak. also", might that not be a tempering influence ? Perhaps the Islamic religion is enabling the terrorists ? I heard somewhere from someone, that if Islam was a religion of peace, then it's extremists would be extremely peaceful.
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Both texts say a lot of violent things and a lot of peaceful things. It's what you focus on as a result of your other perceptions of life - to drcha's point.
I believe you are a kind-hearted person. My suggestion, if you allow me, is to keep an open mind when learning any news or speech regarding negativity of other faiths.
Instead, if possible, spend much time studying the history (old and modern) of one's own religion and the development of various denominations within a certain religion.
(imo, a fundamental issue for any religion has been many believers use an outdated holy book written by humans to define/dictate/limit God. )
Religion should be more about self reflections, rather than measuring others (believers and non-believers included).
If you yourself can do all the things/standards that you mentioned above that would be good/perfect. But expecting others to follow the same things/standards you mentioned/performed could be entirely different matter. Just an temptation inside a person/believer, which should be carefully controlled. That way a believer would sometimes dislike others for why they don't do things/standards just like I do!?
Every individual can behave differently. Whatever faith the individual have.
BTW, how many Jesus we could find in our history. Not too many yet!
My personal experience too. Just 2 cents. LOL
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" Since nobody else will ask, I will... Does Islam have a problem? "
https://elitetrader.com/et/threads/...lam-have-a-problem.309802/page-5#post-4494971
https://elitetrader.com/et/threads/...lam-have-a-problem.309802/page-5#post-4494971
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I am glad your God says go in peace, because during Europe's Reformation and Counter Reformation Era, close to two thirds of the Christian population of Europe was slaughtered by other Christians!
I guess, there is no end when it comes to religion hypocrisy !!
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I don't know whether the % was so high.
The killing included also among/in-between/within reformation believers of various denominations that believed the same bible, however with different interpretations including diverse methods of baptism.
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* The Reformation and Religious Deception | Tomorrow's World
https://www.tomorrowsworld.org/.../the-reformation-and-religious-deception - Cached
The Protestant Reformation fundamentally transformed the social, political, ... Crusaders were recruited with the promise that killing infidels would forgive sins. .... The bloody struggles fanned by the Reformation and Counter-Reformation ...
* Roman Catholicism - The age of Reformation and Counter ...
https://www.britannica.com/.../The-age-of-Reformation-and-Counter-Reformation - Cached
Roman Catholicism - The age of Reformation and Counter-Reformation: The most ... even clergy who preached nonviolence were persecuted and killed by the ...
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Here are the numbers:
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Estimates of the Number Killed by the Papacy in the Middle Ages
http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/estimates.doc
These population figures may actually underestimate the death toll by a significant factor. If someone is killed who is past child bearing age, his death will likely have only a temporary effect on the population. Someone who is killed after having half of their children will have half of the long term effect on the population as someone who is killed before having any of their children, on the average. Therefore, the total death toll could easily be double that indicated above. Furthermore, the possessions of those who die will be redistributed among those who remain, which will tend to cause the population to grow somewhat faster than normal. In addition, the base figure for population growth could easily have been taken as 50 percent or higher instead of the values given above. This is especially true because of many millions, perhaps 45 million, killed in Europe in the Counter-Reformation after 1517 and before 1700. Therefore the population figures permit, and even invite, the conclusion that the death toll due to persecution in the Middle Ages is astronomical, and many times larger than 50 million.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_in_1500
Population c. 1500 estimate
World[1] 438,000,000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_in_1600
Population c. 1600 estimate
579,000,000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_in_1700
Population c. 1700 estimate
682,000,000
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Is it possible that, based on today's incident in Barcelona plus other very similar incidents elsewhere, the underlying reasons/causes for some Muslim terrors could be because they have 2 competing groups before any invading war by the western world, say group A that was holding power for too long time, and group B that is currently holding power.
Now some of the group A members might become terrors, after losing power and forcefully freeing from the country after war. Losing their previous high-end powerful authoritative lifestyle. They might hate the western world too much and then implement their terror acts after migrating to western countries.
As their revenge. ?? That means the old war is now re-ignited and still lasting?? Just in different form as an extension of previous war??
Now some of the group A members might become terrors, after losing power and forcefully freeing from the country after war. Losing their previous high-end powerful authoritative lifestyle. They might hate the western world too much and then implement their terror acts after migrating to western countries.
As their revenge. ?? That means the old war is now re-ignited and still lasting?? Just in different form as an extension of previous war??
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As their revenge. ?? That means the old war is now re-ignited and still lasting?? Just in different form as an extension of previous war??
Very very alarming, worrying and disturbing!!!
Anti-terror bollards around Southern Cross Station. Photo: Larissa Ham
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/w...ed-across-melbournes-cbd-20170622-gwwu0y.html
The bollards around Federation Square. Photo: Darrian Traynor
Very very alarming, worrying and disturbing!!!
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/w...ed-across-melbournes-cbd-20170622-gwwu0y.html
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Another design - no much cycling friendly.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/concrete-...in-place-near-lindt-cafe-20170623-gwxdov.html
Concrete bollards have been installed in Sydney's Martin Place in response to security concerns. Photo: Janie Barrett
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/concrete-...in-place-near-lindt-cafe-20170623-gwxdov.html
I hesitate to slag off the incompetent US, but the Iraqi situation illustrates a major flaw. How dare you I hear the patriots cry. But let me explain. The country was ruled by the minority Sunnis until the Allies toppled Saddam and tried to parachute in democracy. This meant the majority Shiites are now in power and the Sunnis out on the street with nothing left.
So there was now no bureaucracy and the remnants of the defeated army turned to the extremists.
It is strange that the US forgot the lessons of rebuilding Germany when it came to Iraq. The old police, bureaucracy and army were kept in place after WW2 in Germany and Japan. No problems.
The only beneficiaries from US foreign policy in the ME has been Israel. They should be grateful that all their old enemies were smashed, with only Iran to go !
So there was now no bureaucracy and the remnants of the defeated army turned to the extremists.
It is strange that the US forgot the lessons of rebuilding Germany when it came to Iraq. The old police, bureaucracy and army were kept in place after WW2 in Germany and Japan. No problems.
The only beneficiaries from US foreign policy in the ME has been Israel. They should be grateful that all their old enemies were smashed, with only Iran to go !