Terrorism. Is there anything to be done ?

Humpy said:
YES YES YES

The current policy of just trying to capture the perpetrators isn't good enough.
Terrorist cells need nipping in the bud.
1.To do this many sting operations need to be mounted. Preferably by fellow muslims.
2. There should be a hotline for people who think they are being targeted by the extremists. They should be given anonymity and counselling. Preferably by fellow muslims who can see murder is wrong. The ring leaders would be put in jail.
3. For every death caused by terrorists there should be a doctrine of collective guilt. So if a Lybian gets found out after killing then 100 Lybians should be sent back for each victim after paying compensation to the victims and their families.

Trump may just have the balls to do something on these lines rather than accuse the wrong countries.
The Europeans haven't got what it takes until other extremists get elected.
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Why not start by actually applying the law when people - including Muslims - do commit crimes ?
The truth is : most of these suicide bombers were "known" by some law enforcement because of some stuff they did before. Obviously, some law enforcement people , for whatever reason ( including corruption), p-r-e-f-e-r not to record, nor many times bring some criminals to face the law.

Java : do remember that many people had ancestors that have had some traumatic pasts. Yes, some were more traumatic than others - I am thinking here of victims of génocides, at any moment in history. However, it is better to give historical facts, and explain the emotional effects on the victims and their descents. Because, more often than not, most people have no idea that some people carry, générations after générations, the memory (?) of their ancestors disasters.
Now, if I remember well, many Americans are descendents of very empoverished people who fled Europe so as to avoid starvation ( potatoe famine in Ireland, land clearing by the English aristocracy in Scotland, fear of serious religious persecution in Holland, etc.). How comes, Americans have came to peace with the disasters that their ancestors went through in Europe? May be this is where, Java, you could learn something there.
 
smallStops said:
Why not start by actually applying the law when people - including Muslims - do commit crimes ?
The truth is : most of these suicide bombers were "known" by some law enforcement because of some stuff they did before. Obviously, some law enforcement people , for whatever reason ( including corruption), p-r-e-f-e-r not to record, nor many times bring some criminals to face the law.

Java : do remember that many people had ancestors that have had some traumatic pasts. Yes, some were more traumatic than others - I am thinking here of victims of génocides, at any moment in history. However, it is better to give historical facts, and explain the emotional effects on the victims and their descents. Because, more often than not, most people have no idea that some people carry, générations after générations, the memory (?) of their ancestors disasters.
Now, if I remember well, many Americans are descendents of very empoverished people who fled Europe so as to avoid starvation ( potatoe famine in Ireland, land clearing by the English aristocracy in Scotland, fear of serious religious persecution in Holland, etc.). How comes, Americans have came to peace with the disasters that their ancestors went through in Europe? May be this is where, Java, you could learn something there.
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yeah, we should learn from Americans how to live and prosper in any foreign land we happen to live in with no real land to call our own other than an ancient one that has been disputed since the beginning of written history. But if you ever do want to buy a home, and need a loan make sure and give us a call.
 
smallStops said:
The other suggestion was that you start posting historical facts, so that everybody could get better educated on the matter.
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Somebody already posted it. They call it the torah. Like I say, everything is always disputed. And it has been for as long as anybody can remember.
 
smallStops said:
May be I am missing something here : is there a thread called Torah on ET?
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ok, A long time ago god promised the Israelites a little piece of land called Israel. And that's a fact. You can look it up. And that fact is always being disputed by this group or that. Always has, but someday will be accepted they say. Those are the facts. But those facts have become myths in some people's mind. And you know how minds are once they have been made.
 
Although the Jews have suffered many injustices they have done their share of terrorism too. To found the state of Israel they murdered many British and Arabs.
 
Java : can you give historical examples of groups that dispute god's promise? some links about these groups, and when they disputed this promise. "someday will be accepted they say" : who is they?
Humpy: do you have historical facts that the Jews have done thri share of terrorism? when ( dates) did they murder many ( how many? where? how?) British, the same regarding Arabs.

It is all about getting historical facts, so people can understand things better.
 
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java said:
Says the man who has a homeland he doesn't even want because he hasn't been thrown out or gassed out of everybody else's land that they call their homeland.
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Not sure what you mean by characterizing my homeland as not wanted by me.

I said i have a couple of favorite places on the globe. One of those places is what is traditionally called a "homeland". The gov system does not threaten me for my beliefs.

But it is not my true home, which is not of this world.

Under threat, if it is not easy for me to leave, and migrate elsewhere, perhaps to another favorite place, then i would surely resist a change in government that would guarantee oppression toward me and my kind.

I don't know why any gov would do that since i am not interested in dominating any part of the globe with territorial ambitions driven by beliefs about god, or concepts unseen.

Modern Israel arose out of the reasons i said states exist, to defend a homogeneous group of people against predators.

In that quest, it's quite possible they became predators, taking, rather than buying land.

If you want to identify with that homogeneous group, then you can live with the consequences of taking land for any reason, including religious reasons driven by beliefs about god who deeds land to a special race...or simply the need to have a defensive place for your homogeneous group.

But there are plenty of Jews who are content to live anywhere in the world, satisfied that mind-share is enough, who don't threaten existing states because they, too, don't consider such a world as this to be home. It is nowhere written in any of their revered books, that they need to take territory all over the world for their cause.

I'm not exactly sure what caused them to be so contemptuously treated in various territories over the centuries. Can you shed any light on this?

Personally, identifying yourself with a group that thinks it is special in the eyes of the god that made the globe, special enough to be deeded land at the point of a sword, is playing with fire. Personally, i would disassociate myself from such a group, which i did, when Christianity bought into that sense of special-ness, and when i woke up and realized it is a rhetorical cesspool.
 
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