Temp Halt gets overturned?

[stu]

The argument it makes us less safe is absurd on its face, but in any event we elected a President to make these kinds of decisions. Not a district court judge in Washington state. The President only has to show he has statutory authority to issue the order, which is abundantly clear. This is not even a case where he has to demonstrate a rational basis for his action, as is the case with most agency rules and orders.

There is nothing abundantly clear about a president having legal authority to issue an executive order to deny entry without due process to every green card holder and every legitimate valid visa holder holding a passport issued or stamped by certain countries, apparently to keep us safe, but only for 120 days. That's what's absurd.

As I'm sure you understand, the US Constitution does not provide any power or authority for a President to issue Executive Orders , however the Constitution does vest power in the Courts to test any president's actions for statutory authority, including those courts overseen by a district court judge in Washington state. Each Branch checking the other is very democratic unless you want see if a system run by Imperial decree is more efficient.

In accordance with the Constitution a court suspended the order and a court will decide whether President Baby Fingers does have Constitutional or statutory authority to implement the order or not.

 

[fhl]

What about internment camps for Japanese-Americans?

I won’t refer to the Page Act banning those deemed “undesirable,” the Chinese Exclusion Act, the Asiatic Barred Zone Act, or the Emergency Quota Act. I don’t have to mention the hundreds of thousands of Mexicans deported in the nineteen-thirties, or the thousands of Jews escaping Nazi violence who were turned away. It was F.D.R., not Trump, who claimed that Jewish immigrants could threaten national security.

FDR and the democrats have been absolute tyrants in the past.

"Many were upset when Trump campaigned on a Muslim registry, but I was surprised to find out how few knew that we’d already had one: the National Security Entry-Exit Registration System, or nseers, implemented on September 11, 2002. From the Atlantic: “It consisted of two ‘special registration’ programs: one that required foreign nationals from certain countries to check in with the government before entering and leaving the country, and another that obliged some foreigners living in the United States to report regularly to immigration officials.” Obama did not suspend the program until 2011. He dismantled it right before he left office."-newyorker mag


And now they 'democrats' say in response to an immigration ban, "this is not who we are".

Well, yeah. It's not who 'they' are. 'They', were a thousand times worse.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

The answer is, it depends upon what the EO deals with. In this case, yes, because he has clear statutory authority and it concerns the security of the US.

Don't you guys praise the founding fathers for their brilliance? And if so, then why the about-face on the matter of the three branches of government and the checks-and-balances thing? Did I miss something? Is the brilliance gone?

 

[Frederick Foresight]

This. Hysterical liberals can go f themselves

Actually, that was the judge's ruling for hysterical conservatives.

You guys elected a Dilettante in Chief.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Don't you guys praise the founding fathers for their brilliance? And if so, then why the about-face on the matter of the three branches of government and the checks-and-balances thing? Did I miss something? Is the brilliance gone?

You and stu seem incapable of understanding that just because a judge does something, it does not mean he is acting within his lawful Constitutional authority. In most matters, depending upon higher courts to correct the error is satisfactory. In a case involving clear-cut presidential authority and national security, it might not be.

Don't forget, we are arguing about the issuance of a TRO, which is supposed to be used only in extraordinary circumstances to freeze the status quo when one party has a clear case and will suffer irreparable harm. In fact, it is quite clear that neither criterion is remotely satisfied.

 

[stu]

"Many were upset when Trump campaigned on a Muslim registry, but I was surprised to find out how few knew that we’d already had one: the National Security Entry-Exit Registration System, or nseers, implemented on September 11, 2002. From the Atlantic: “It consisted of two ‘special registration’ programs: one that required foreign nationals from certain countries to check in with the government before entering and leaving the country, and another that obliged some foreigners living in the United States to report regularly to immigration officials.” Obama did not suspend the program until 2011. He dismantled it right before he left office."-newyorker mag


And now they 'democrats' say in response to an immigration ban, "this is not who we are".

Well, yeah. It's not who 'they' are. 'They', were a thousand times worse.

"DHS ceased use of NSEERS more than five years ago, after it was determined the program was redundant, inefficient and provided no increase in security. The intervening years have shown that NSEERS is not only obsolete, but that its use would divert limited personnel and resources from more effective measures."Department of Homeland Security 2016

 

[Frederick Foresight]

You and stu seem incapable of understanding that just because a judge does something, it does not mean he is acting within his lawful Constitutional authority. In most matters, depending upon higher courts to correct the error is satisfactory. In a case involving clear-cut presidential authority and national security, it might not be.

Don't forget, we are arguing about the issuance of a TRO, which is supposed to be used only in extraordinary circumstances to freeze the status quo when one party has a clear case and will suffer irreparable harm. In fact, it is quite clear that neither criterion is remotely satisfied.

I didn't realize that "American Exceptionalism" referred to the many exceptions to the rules you so claim to love.

As for "extraordinary circumstances," that's all Trump ever talks about. His extraordinary win, the extraordinary polls (unless they're fake), the extraordinary crowds, the extraordinarily dishonest media. It's all extraordinary all the time. Did you hear the story of the president who cried Extraordinary?

 

[stu]

Don't forget, we are arguing about the issuance of a TRO, which is supposed to be used only in extraordinary circumstances to freeze the status quo when one party has a clear case and will suffer irreparable harm. In fact, it is quite clear that neither criterion is remotely satisfied.

And you AAA seem incapable of understanding that just because a president does something, it does not mean he is acting within his lawful Constitutional authority.
The court ruling reveals petitioners have demonstrated that their removal would violate the Due Process and Equal Protection Clause and cause irreparable and significant harm.
That is quite extraordinary enough by any reasonable account.
A freeze to the status quo so it can be properly considered is more than reasonable.

 

[fhl]

It's all extraordinary all the time. Did you hear the story of the president who cried Extraordinary?

The court ruling reveals petitioners have demonstrated that their removal would violate the Due Process and Equal Protection Clause and cause irreparable and significant harm.
That is quite extraordinary enough by any reasonable account.

Media justify anti-Trump bias, claim he's too 'dangerous' for normal ...
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Aug 9, 2016 - The media's legions of Trump-bashers are finally acknowledging the obvious. ... And it'snot about the commentators, on the right as well as the left, who are savaging Trump, since they are paid for their opinions. ... Ryan, the Times' senior editor for politics, as saying Trump's candidacy is “extraordinary and ...



lol

 

[Frederick Foresight]

lol

Let me guess. Feeling blissful?