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Quote from jack hershey:

Your blue comments show that I was not able to communicate with you.

You are a generic example of those with whom I have failed to communicate.

Making this about me and framing yourself as a misunderstood genius is an example of coercive persuasion worthy of con-men, politicians and religious activists. Such illogical propagandistic devices are not acceptable in scientific community

Thus I have a problem with imparting salient information to others such as you. You have no faults as you have made clear.

The result is that I am unable to show you how to become waelthy in a short time as others unlike you have managed to do.

I assume many others have supported your learning and that you have some sort of approach and methodology that serves you well. It may be worth your while to develop a readership for your offerings. My readership is, I'm sure, enjoying your commentary and they understand, quite well, my failures to communicate to you.

Your readership lacks critical thinking skills and a rudimentary BS meter, making them susceptible to coersive persuasion. They refuse to acknowledge that which is right in front of their eyes – it is not possible to be consistently profitable while jumping fractals.

Below are some of these failures I have committed.

I used nested and it was understood as a serial term instead of a concurrent term. My bad in using nested to convey a thought that is like the Russian wooden dolls which fit within another in a volumetric sense. I only look at the crossection of the dolls and see their boundaries as one within another all there at the same time.

I missed on communicating that time, in the study of markets is misplaced and instead there is an order of events. You see fractals as happeming serially and I see all fractals as ever present and never ending.

Trends of various magnitude exist. You call them fractals. People who use that word in the course of their profession would disagree with describing them as such. Trends do not know that you exist and occasionally refuse to overlap at point two. The order of events exists for you only in hindsight because your paradigm lacks the tools to differentiate between retrace and reversal.

You understand how for you time passes and from day to day fractals begin and end. FBO's mean something to you and after one, making money is a concern. Certainly, we disagree on how we make money and you see the applications we do as losing money. Generally our approach is done by the importance of the set and ranking in the set of principles. I have failed to communicate this to people who have your personal characterisitics. I believe the majority of readers are like you. I am in the minority as is each promulgator of any particular methodology. The majority does not have a particular methodology.
FBO's mean something, period.

One of your rules advises to reverse on the green bookmarks. It is the same nonsense that Spydertrader packaged as anticipation vs. prediction, “enter at the first sign of change and reverse if WMCN does not”.

La-di-da-di-da.

To get away with it profitably, one would still need to differentiate between the retrace and reversal on tick chart level! It is f-ing obvious!

One can’t be consistently profitable jumping fractals, whether you do it on tick chart level or on 5 min bars, and neither you, nor Spydertrader have the solution. Years ago some smart people tried to point that out, but were branded as detractors and phishers.


You represent the majority to whom no one can advocate a particular method. I am a failure in communicating what is required for you to become wealthy.

I believe we can easily agree that what I communicate does not work in any way whatsoever for you. Fortunately, you have, briefly, explained your position so others can understand where you are coming from. I, at great length over 53 years, have continued to answer questions of others who wish to learn and to trade successfully.

At one of your meetings, where you were following the market in hindsight, a person from the audience asked you a question about ftt. He was the sharpest tool in the shed and went straight to the crux of the matter. He wanted to know when to enter on ftt to breakeven if he had to reverse when wmcn doesn’t follow.

Many have succeeded and passed it forward to others. They also contribute time and money to help solve local problems.

Your answer was the finest example of avoidance, intentional vagueness and obfuscation. Something that politicians do when they want to “stay on the message”. You told him that if he is too late, he is screwed. Which is true. I was hoping that he would be outspoken in addition to being sharp. I was dissapointed that he didn’t tell you and Spydertrader to go … yourself and not waste his time with nonsense. My guess is he was a nice guy and simply looked at some charts to conclude that he would be equally screwed if enters too early as well, and that no middle point exists where he would not be screwed. It is the easiest thing to see. All one has to do is review some charts.

If you ever come up with some questions, ask them and maybe someone will be able to help you out.
The “answers” provided by you and Spydertrader always confirm the bacis pattern: disengage, avoid, obfuscate and reframe. What makes you think that there are any takers left to swallow the BS of that kind?
 
Quote from Nebuchadnezzar:


The green commentary is filled with many errors. Some are repeated in the prior blue comments.

for those who want the corrections review:

1. Nested fractals.

2. Our definitions of retrace and reversal (which included the differentiations)

3. The single pattern which provides the order of events.

4. How bookmarking ftt's and FTT's work.

5. The significance of point 2 as desribed by space zones on "clean page four.

6. The math used in trading systems is dictated by the markets: The result is Boolean Algebra where the values (1's and 0's) are assigned to the first derivative of P and V with respect to time. As such, vector values are used exclusively. CW uses scalar values and probability statisitics. These wo apporaches could not befurther apart.

Trading ftt's or FTT's was dealt with in detail with SKO and the window of the trade was expressed as a period from the first chance to the second chance. The conversation was didactic rather than as is this rather angry back and forth.

I made the point that a person wedded to CW cannot use PEP and its applications (PVT, SCT and SSR) effectively since they are separate parts of a Venn universe and do not overlap very much if at all.

Science requires deductive methods. And it is good to have a common vocabulary. CW is basically an inductive betting and risk control process. Neb uses such he tells us. I do not. We also have different belief systems which do not overlap. My suggestion is that I will ignore him from now on.
 
Quote from jack hershey:

The green commentary is filled with many errors. Some are repeated in the prior blue comments.

for those who want the corrections review:

1. Nested fractals.

Anybody can see the nested fractals annotated on Spydertrader’s charts. By degapping the next day, they can also see that every single one of them anticipates the wrong order of events.

2. Our definitions of retrace and reversal (which included the differentiations)

Your paradigm fails to differentiate between the two. Assuming that reversal develops but trading between p2 and p3 in case one is wrong and what one thought is p2 is in fact Point Three that needs to be fanned is advocated. This approach will consistently loose money.

3. The single pattern which provides the order of events.

Yes, one can see it. But you can only see it after the fact, when green bookmark is violated. By then it is too late to take the market’s offer.

4. How bookmarking ftt's and FTT's work.

Trends overlap at FTT instead of point 2 all the time and there are plenty reversals that begin on LTL. A few charts and a fresh pair of eyes are required to see that.

5. The significance of point 2 as desribed by space zones on "clean page four.

You, Spydertrader and Mac need to learn how to test your generalizations against the maket reality. Every single one you people tried to package for ET consumption was proved wrong by the market.

6. The math used in trading systems is dictated by the markets: The result is Boolean Algebra where the values (1's and 0's) are assigned to the first derivative of P and V with respect to time. As such, vector values are used exclusively. CW uses scalar values and probability statisitics. These wo apporaches could not befurther apart.

You have neither training, nor the disposition to do what you are attempting. Borrowing the terms from respectable scientific disciplines lends credibility to your nonsense because most people are not well versed in science and assume that if something sounds complicated it must have merit by default. Marketing tricks, nothing more. This is how vacuum cleaners are sold.

Trading ftt's or FTT's was dealt with in detail with SKO and the window of the trade was expressed as a period from the first chance to the second chance. The conversation was didactic rather than as is this rather angry back and forth.

You do not know how to identify a trend as it is occurring in real-time except for via hindsight analysis. Why else would you suggest reversing on bookmarks. Yours and Spydertrader’s approach is like a sma with a bad case of chicken pox.

I made the point that a person wedded to CW cannot use PEP and its applications (PVT, SCT and SSR) effectively since they are separate parts of a Venn universe and do not overlap very much if at all.

No single methodology exists that can be described as CW. By positioning your paradigm as an opposite of everyting else, you are simply carving up a niche in the ontological space. This approach lacks in substance. A marketing trick used to sell to consumers by manipulating their perception and bypassing their logic based decision making process. Nothing more.

Science requires deductive methods. And it is good to have a common vocabulary.

Yes, Spydertrader used the word “traverse” to pull the wool over people’s eyes, but ended up declaring that he wasn’t gonna tell them what he means and that everybody would need to figure it out on their own. What a joke.

CW is basically an inductive betting and risk control process. Neb uses such he tells us. I do not. We also have different belief systems which do not overlap. My suggestion is that I will ignore him from now on.

My suggestion is that people who are still following this nonsense would degap Spydertrader’s charts and see if the next day had the WMCN actually happen. This will settle the argument once and for all.

 
Quote from SnakeEYE:

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Quote from jack hershey:

The 8 basic rules for annotating and doing analysis to stay in the market all the time and take the full market’s offer. (Note there is NO predicting nor betting nor stops required.)

1. Annotate using a parallelogram.

2. Trade from FTT to FTT of the trading parallelogram.

3. Use hold/reversal trading.

4. Use a green bookmark at each FTT.

5. If a bookmark is violated, then reverse and hold until the new FTT.

6. If an internal (there are 10 cases, only) bridges or straddles the RTL, then fan the RTL.

7. Accelerate the RTL on VE’s of the LTL.

8. On VE’s the FTT will show up after M1 and M2 sub-fractals when VE closes in the zone between the old and new LTL. Otherwise, if the close is NOT in the described zone, reverse on the VE close and use the VE as the new point 1 (See step 1 above) of next parallelogram.

SnakeEYE:

''6'' - the cases are compressed,the cure is found.(almost:D )
''7'' - the complete cure is yet to be found.hard to deal with the swans so far. [/B]

Quote from SnakeEYE:

Question regarding rule #4.

Jack wrote:

"Everyone of the 8 deal with volume except 4."

Could anyone please explain?


Quote from jack hershey:

Sure many many people culd explain.

4. is an annotation assigned to price as a reminder that the OOE of the single pattern that exists can be broken and the two moves have to be folded into the prior pattern.

In reality, you may be asking about what you do not know about how volume leads price at times when it is important to know (the seven times listed).

Below are all of those answers. Check them off one by one and find out if you are capable of understanding them of even using them. (Do a handicap check off).

1. Annotating volume is done because volume leads price. For the pattern annotating you note the slopes of volume leading to the peaks and troughs associated with the points of the parallelogram and the period of overlap of the old trend and the new trend. There are four volume moves for every three price moves. This facet of markets is what causes all the failure you do not read about. See Covel and read all his writings to see he totally omits all of what the 7 points make. He quote endlessly zillions of other people as unaware as he is.

2. FTT's are volume peaks followed by price extremes. To take all of the market's offer you need a leading sidnal of price to be able to carve each turn precisely. You have three fractals showing and they are all P, V annotated. On the trading fractal you use the fast fractal to carve these turns 20 to 40 times a day.

3. Holding and reversing keeps you in the market. volume preceeding price on two of the three fractal;s ius what assures you that you "always know that you know". the mind has to be built for this first however. without a fully differentiated mind, what I have to say is like a foreign language to people in the financial industry and their parasites who make money selling quasi financial information.

5. You will see, after you reverse a surge in volume as volume leads price to a NEW FTT.

6. This is a period of time, as noted in three parts in Behavioral Finance: pre change, change, and post change of volume. This is where most PA only traders get hosed completely. This is the second confirmation of the difference between a retrace and a reversal. Most potential traders who are learning repeated failure, learn at this time of the order of events that they simply do not know what is going on most of the time. (Google bellyaching). Here is where the volume trough occurs on the way from point 1 to point 2 of the parallelogram. pre change is the negative slope to the trough; change is the trough; and post change is the positive slope going from the trough. It all occurs on the BO of the prior RTL and where overlap ends. It is the time to continue to hold to make money. If you had a picture entitled "The Pattern" and used it, you would know all of this and use it in your repitions to build the differentiation of your mind. this is exactly why PA only traders always only trade a few contracts. It is also why they do not have the means, ever to add contracts. (See bighog, etc). There is also the overriding fear factor stemming from the Bohr Syndrome.

7. This is easily recognized in volume as "the PACE change" of volume; the snippet for the volume rainbow of volume is missing from your crappy platform. It also can signal that two more moves of volume are required to get to the FTT. Not accelerating the RTL leaves you stranded or you get stranded by not knowing to start a new parallelogram. Various parts of the rainbow tell you, additionally, which is which.

8. This is just the details of 7. It is very important to know how to annotate acceleratiions and their respective fast fractals (M1 and M2). As I noted elsewhere (and the period of the great wars confirmed in the eras before this one), this depression's last move will have four VE's. You could not understand this, and so you got off one of your stupid stupider wisecracks to prove your mind lacks even the beginning differentiation. It will be a long long time before you can post something (like this post I rattled off) that will help other learners not learning failure.

Let's return to the topic of the thread: your handicaps. Asking about what is going on and how to learn or know that you know is off topic for this thread.
 
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