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Teachers Unions & poor education in America
- Thread starter hippie
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Quote from saxon22:
I just outlined to you the process. Three U and you are ready to get booted out. It is a fact check with NYCDOE. Another fact 50% leave before the finish 5th year of working. Most have a 1 to 1 conversation with the AP where they are told that if they do not quit they will get fired. FYI firing means your certificate will be taken away and you will no longer be able to work as a teacher in your state. Many people prefer to quit. This way their lic. stays valid and they can look for a job in another county or state. That is the reason so few are fired. You would have to an imbecil to stay on the job for another semester or two and have your lic. taken away permanently. Also, any system will have a question on the application whethere you have been terminated from a teaching position. Now do you see why so few get "fired"? Or should I dumb it down more?
You are talking before they get tenure. Right?
After they done an adequate job for 5 years, they get tenure. Then they slack.
The idea of TENURE for teaching is ridiculous. This is esp true for primary and secondary schools.
Quote from DHOHHI:
Getting fired in NYC is almost impossible -- 88 out of 80,000.
http://www.teachersunionexposed.com/protecting.cfm
10 years of volunteering in classrooms and having a prior corporate job that dealt with unions makes me very anti-union. I can't imagine why any good teacher would be against pay for performance. Heck, in DC when Michelle Rhee wanted to go that route the union prevented its members from even voting on it for a long time. Unions continually block reforms in education, they dig in and resist. I know teachers who hate being a part of a union and are embarrassed by their representation.
Exactly, thank you so much for the link.
If they still need physics or math teachers in NYC, I may go there and get for a job. lol
Quote from hippie:
You are talking before they get tenure. Right?
After they done an adequate job for 5 years, they get tenure. Then they slack.
The idea of TENURE for teaching is ridiculous. This is esp true for primary and secondary schools.
Before tenure they give you 2 weeks notice. No need to go for 3 U ratings. Generally they wait till the summer to tell you you have no longer a job, you know the last day of school, you thinking you have a great summer ahead of you and then they drop it! LOL
In the meantime the asshole who is fucking the AP and is slacking off gets to stay or get tenure.
Quote from saxon22:
Before tenure they give you 2 weeks notice. No need to go for 3 U ratings. Generally they wait till the summer to tell you you have no longer a job, you know the last day of school, you thinking you have a great summer ahead of you and then they drop it! LOL
In the meantime the asshole who is fucking the AP and is slacking off gets to stay or get tenure.
How do you know this? Did you teach in NYC ?
Quote from hippie:
Exactly, thank you so much for the link.
If they still need physics or math teachers in NYC, I may go there and get for a job. lol
Physics, you will probably have a job by semptember.
Now, prepare yourself to be called all kinds of names, kicked, pushed down the stairs, slapped, punched, have your car's window or tires slashed, have chewing gum stuck to your chair so that when you sit you get a nasty stain.
The last one was in the old days when you could sit between periods. Now it is a big no no. Even when you take attendance you have to stand and walk around the class (Iam being super serious). Between periods, your position is right by the front door where your task is to "welcome students" to your class.
You didn't really think it is like Glee or something right? Now at least in NYC you are doing it for decent $ (relatively). Now imagine doing it for 30K and with sucky retirenment plan and almost non existent health coverage which btw is probably 50% of teaching jobs out there (outside of NYC). Trust me it ain't all that.
and I have not mentioned the abuse done by administration or all kinds of nasty stuff students pull. (accusations of racism, sexual stuff etc). Then it really gets interesting.