Teacher shot by her 6 year old student in critical condition

Anyone want to bet as to whether the gun is not legally owned by the parents and the racial profile of the family and child?

Newly unsealed court documents reveal that the first-grader who shot his teacher earlier this year later bragged to school officials, claiming “I shot that b**** dead.”

“I did it,” the boy told school officials just after the shooting, according to the affidavit. “I got my mom’s gun last night.”

The mother of the student pleaded guilty to federal gun charges in connection with the incident as part of a plea deal. She will be sentenced in October.

Ms Zwerner has since filed a $40m lawsuit against Newport News Public Schools, alleging officials of ignoring several warnings about the student leading up to the shooting.

The warrant also detailed how Ms Zwerner allegedly told investigators there had been multiple “disciplinary incidents” involving the boy before the shooting. The incidents involved physical violence and threats of violence.

A retired Newport News elementary school teacher who had been assigned to Richneck told investigators that she was choked in September 2021 by the same student.

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Here is the mom, who is already facing federal drug and gun charges. Hmmm...

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Another MAGATard. sheesh.​
 
schizo said:
What the f*ck is wrong with this country? Every friggin' day, I see or read about senseless gun violence. It sickens me. This country really lost it. This beautiful country that I once loved is deeply ill and is at its last gasp. I can feel it to my core.

Just how the f*ck did a 6 year old get a gun? We have too many lazy negligent idiots like his parents who can't think. Then there are these politician bastards who think 2nd amendment is more nobler than life itself.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64200873
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The issue (the problem) is that there's something wrong with many K-12 school districts that fail to react to all the warnings from one of their students that have violent tendencies and makes threats.

Police should have been involved from the first incident and do a mandatory check of the Parents to determine if they own any weapons or has a history with the Police.

Regardless, so many warnings/violent incidents at the school were ignored by the school district or school board that eventually resulted in the teacher being shot.
  • Actually, the school did not ignore the initial violent behavior because the Parents (mother & grandparents) were asked to accompany their kid to & from school. The shooting occurred in a week that the mother & grandparents were not able to accompany the kid to/from school.
The question then should be...why did the school then allow the kid into their school if the Parent (mother) and grandparents were not available to accompany the kid to school in that week ???
  • Another question, why did the teacher allow that kid into her classroom when she noticed the Parent was not there...maybe she didn't and that's when the kid shot her because she would not allow him access ?
Regardless, something is seriously wrong when Parents are asked to accompany their child to/from school along with the fact that "teachers" were afraid of the 6 year old.
  • Doesn't Virginia have any alternative schools that are better prepared to deal with situations like that and to give the kid proper help ???
I hope the school teacher wins her lawsuit against the school district, the school principal is fired, and hope that child is taken away from the inept mother that obviously doesn't give a fuck.

Just as important, the kid now needs professional help so that he doesn't grow up to become a killer or druggie because prior to the shooting...he had a long history of random violence against others in school and out of school in the neighborhood.

Yeah, something is wrong in the U.S. because crap like this has been occurring since the 70s...each decade becoming more frequent, especially during the Pandemic when many kids were vulnerable to mental illness/stress.

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wrbtrader said:
The issue (the problem) is that there's something wrong with many K-12 school districts that fail to react to all the warnings from one of their students that have violent tendencies and makes threats.

Police should have been involved from the first incident and do a mandatory check of the Parents to determine if they own any weapons or has a history with the Police.

Regardless, so many warnings/violent incidents at the school were ignored by the school district or school board that eventually resulted in the teacher being shot.
  • Actually, the school did not ignore the initial violent behavior because the Parents (mother & grandparents) were asked to accompany their kid to & from school. The shooting occurred in a week that the mother & grandparents were not able to accompany the kid to/from school.
The question then should be...why did the school then allow the kid into their school if the Parent (mother) and grandparents were not available to accompany the kid to school in that week ???
  • Another question, why did the teacher allow that kid into her classroom when she noticed the Parent was not there...maybe she didn't and that's when the kid shot her because she would not allow him access ?
Regardless, something is seriously wrong when Parents are asked to accompany their child to/from school along with the fact that "teachers" were afraid of the 6 year old.
  • Doesn't Virginia have any alternative schools that are better prepared to deal with situations like that and to give the kid proper help ???
I hope the school teacher wins her lawsuit against the school district, the school principal is fired, and hope that child is taken away from the inept mother that obviously doesn't give a fuck.

Just as important, the kid now needs professional help so that he doesn't grow up to become a killer or druggie because prior to the shooting...he had a long history of random violence against others in school and out of school in the neighborhood.

Yeah, something is wrong in the U.S. because crap like this has been occurring since the 70s...each decade becoming more frequent, especially during the Pandemic when many kids were vulnerable to mental illness/stress.

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That kid is going to grow up as a killer/druggie/inmate no matter what "therapy" the State tries to give him. That's just statistics. Broken family, mother guilty of same crimes, racial handicaps and a juvenile record. He's done for.
 
wrbtrader said:
The issue (the problem) is that there's something wrong with many K-12 school districts that fail to react to all the warnings from one of their students that have violent tendencies and makes threats.

Police should have been involved from the first incident and do a mandatory check of the Parents to determine if they own any weapons or has a history with the Police.

Regardless, so many warnings/violent incidents at the school were ignored by the school district or school board that eventually resulted in the teacher being shot.
  • Actually, the school did not ignore the initial violent behavior because the Parents (mother & grandparents) were asked to accompany their kid to & from school. The shooting occurred in a week that the mother & grandparents were not able to accompany the kid to/from school.
The question then should be...why did the school then allow the kid into their school if the Parent (mother) and grandparents were not available to accompany the kid to school in that week ???
  • Another question, why did the teacher allow that kid into her classroom when she noticed the Parent was not there...maybe she didn't and that's when the kid shot her because she would not allow him access ?
Regardless, something is seriously wrong when Parents are asked to accompany their child to/from school along with the fact that "teachers" were afraid of the 6 year old.
  • Doesn't Virginia have any alternative schools that are better prepared to deal with situations like that and to give the kid proper help ???
I hope the school teacher wins her lawsuit against the school district, the school principal is fired, and hope that child is taken away from the inept mother that obviously doesn't give a fuck.

Just as important, the kid now needs professional help so that he doesn't grow up to become a killer or druggie because prior to the shooting...he had a long history of random violence against others in school and out of school in the neighborhood.

Yeah, something is wrong in the U.S. because crap like this has been occurring since the 70s...each decade becoming more frequent, especially during the Pandemic when many kids were vulnerable to mental illness/stress.

wrbtrader
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Possible answer...

U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in single-parent households

For decades, the share of U.S. children living with a single parent has been rising, accompanied by a decline in marriage rates and a rise in births outside of marriage. A new Pew Research Center study of 130 countries and territories shows that the U.S. has the world’s highest rate of children living in single-parent households.
  • Almost a quarter of U.S. children under the age of 18 live with one parent and no other adults (23%), more than three times the share of children around the world who do so (7%).
The study, which analyzed how people’s living arrangements differ by religion, also found that U.S. children from Christian and religiously unaffiliated families are about equally likely to live in this type of arrangement.

In comparison, 3% of children in China, 4% of children in Nigeria, and 5% of children in India live in single-parent households. In neighboring Canada, the share is 15%...

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...other-countries-to-live-with-just-one-parent/

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I was surprised to see the below statement from the above research about Christians and others that are religious...

The study, which analyzed how people’s living arrangements differ by religion, also found that U.S. children from Christian and religiously unaffiliated families are about equally likely to live in this type of arrangement.​

wrbtrader
 
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I was surprised to see the below statement from the above research about Christians and others that are religious...

The study, which analyzed how people’s living arrangements differ by religion, also found that U.S. children from Christian and religiously unaffiliated families are about equally likely to live in this type of arrangement.​

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I blame Dungeons&Dragons.
 
wrbtrader said:
The issue (the problem) is that there's something wrong with many K-12 school districts that fail to react to all the warnings from one of their students that have violent tendencies and makes threats.

Police should have been involved from the first incident and do a mandatory check of the Parents to determine if they own any weapons or has a history with the Police.

Regardless, so many warnings/violent incidents at the school were ignored by the school district or school board that eventually resulted in the teacher being shot.
  • Actually, the school did not ignore the initial violent behavior because the Parents (mother & grandparents) were asked to accompany their kid to & from school. The shooting occurred in a week that the mother & grandparents were not able to accompany the kid to/from school.
The question then should be...why did the school then allow the kid into their school if the Parent (mother) and grandparents were not available to accompany the kid to school in that week ???
  • Another question, why did the teacher allow that kid into her classroom when she noticed the Parent was not there...maybe she didn't and that's when the kid shot her because she would not allow him access ?
Regardless, something is seriously wrong when Parents are asked to accompany their child to/from school along with the fact that "teachers" were afraid of the 6 year old.
  • Doesn't Virginia have any alternative schools that are better prepared to deal with situations like that and to give the kid proper help ???
I hope the school teacher wins her lawsuit against the school district, the school principal is fired, and hope that child is taken away from the inept mother that obviously doesn't give a fuck.

Just as important, the kid now needs professional help so that he doesn't grow up to become a killer or druggie because prior to the shooting...he had a long history of random violence against others in school and out of school in the neighborhood.

Yeah, something is wrong in the U.S. because crap like this has been occurring since the 70s...each decade becoming more frequent, especially during the Pandemic when many kids were vulnerable to mental illness/stress.

wrbtrader
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I can respond to some of your points above --- being that I have several family members involved in education.

The current trend in public education is to "mainstream" all the children -- including those with physical and/or mental issues and significant learning issues. They want to have them in a standard classroom with other children. The alternative schools they sent these children to back in my day have been closed and no longer exist in most districts.

They try to give these children with problems extra help via "resource teachers" and in some cases those with physical disabilities may have a one-on-one teaching assistant.

There is a federal document, an IEP (Individualized Education Program), that must be created and tracked for each of the students with issues. The IEP is shown and agreed to by the parents/guardians plus teachers & administrators in the school.

Most states have law/rules that the school system cannot ask parents/guardians about guns in the home. This violates privacy. Even if there are violent incidents, the school system cannot ask about guns in the home.

Now the police --- if a criminal complaint is filed -- can ask about guns in the home. However the entire intent of school systems these days is not to involve police in student issues. Think of the bad press which occurs when police show up at a school and put an elementary student in handcuffs (no matter how badly deserved). Many school systems are now trying to not allow school resource officers (police officers) on campus at the school -- because they somehow falsely believe that the school officers detract from learning.

If a school is having issues with a violent student one of the steps is to ask the parents/guardians to accompany the student to the school. However they cannot enforce the parents/guardians must be present in order for the child to attend -- this would violate state / federal education laws about denial of education Especially if the child is an elementary student. While it is acceptable to suspend a high school student for several days for improper conduct (I believe the limit is 14 days max.) -- it is unacceptable to put conditions of requiring parent attendance for the student to be allowed into the school (they merely can urge the student be accompanied).

If a school teacher or administrator has concerns about a child's home situation -- the situation is escalated to a social worker and Child Protective Services -- not the police. Child Protective Services may get the police involved for a home visit if the parents/guardians are not supportive of having CPS visit the home.

In this particular situation in Virginia, I find the school system at fault on at least three levels:

So how to fix this problem. Well IMO the first thing they need to do is put all these students with serious issues back in alternative schools where they can get the 1:1 attention they need to make progress and be success. All the students do in a mainstream classroom is totally distract the teacher from teaching the other students and cause serious disruptions. The problem is that schools systems do not want to spend the money to open alternative schools -- the reason they were all shut down is to save money. The concept of "mainstreaming" has failed -- they need to get back to the proper way of handling things.

The second thing is they need to have crisp protocols with how they deal with students who are violent or bring a gun to school. There needs to be an immediate response by staff -- including calling the police if necessary even for elementary school students.

Third there needs to be better and more strict protocols on how to handle students who are regularly violent and assault other students and staff. This is unacceptable but appears to occur every day in schools. It's time to stop this nonsense. Somehow there are a set of people who believe that enforcing rules in a school should be done because it just leads to a school-to-prison pipeline. Their solution is to allow the poorly behaving students to do whatever they please -- including assaulting teachers -- with little to no consequences.
 
gwb-trading said:
I can respond to some of your points above --- being that I have several family members involved in education.

The current trend in public education is to "mainstream" all the children -- including those with physical and/or mental issues and significant learning issues. They want to have them in a standard classroom with other children. The alternative schools they sent these children to back in my day have been closed and no longer exist in most districts.

They try to give these children with problems extra help via "resource teachers" and in some cases those with physical disabilities may have a one-on-one teaching assistant.

There is a federal document, an IEP (Individualized Education Program), that must be created and tracked for each of the students with issues. The IEP is shown and agreed to by the parents/guardians plus teachers & administrators in the school.

Most states have law/rules that the school system cannot ask parents/guardians about guns in the home. This violates privacy. Even if there are violent incidents, the school system cannot ask about guns in the home.

Now the police --- if a criminal complaint is filed -- can ask about guns in the home. However the entire intent of school systems these days is not to involve police in student issues. Think of the bad press which occurs when police show up at a school and put an elementary student in handcuffs (no matter how badly deserved). Many school systems are now trying to not allow school resource officers (police officers) on campus at the school -- because they somehow falsely believe that the school officers detract from learning.

If a school is having issues with a violent student one of the steps is to ask the parents/guardians to accompany the student to the school. However they cannot enforce the parents/guardians must be present in order for the child to attend -- this would violate state / federal education laws about denial of education Especially if the child is an elementary student. While it is acceptable to suspend a high school student for several days for improper conduct (I believe the limit is 14 days max.) -- it is unacceptable to put conditions of requiring parent attendance for the student to be allowed into the school (they merely can urge the student be accompanied).

If a school teacher or administrator has concerns about a child's home situation -- the situation is escalated to a social worker and Child Protective Services -- not the police. Child Protective Services may get the police involved for a home visit if the parents/guardians are not supportive of having CPS visit the home.

In this particular situation in Virginia, I find the school system at fault on at least three levels:

So how to fix this problem. Well IMO the first thing they need to do is put all these students with serious issues back in alternative schools where they can get the 1:1 attention they need to make progress and be success. All the students do in a mainstream classroom is totally distract the teacher from teaching the other students and cause serious disruptions. The problem is that schools systems do not want to spend the money to open alternative schools -- the reason they were all shut down is to save money. The concept of "mainstreaming" has failed -- they need to get back to the proper way of handling things.

The second thing is they need to have crisp protocols with how they deal with students who are violent or bring a gun to school. There needs to be an immediate response by staff -- including calling the police if necessary even for elementary school students.

Third there needs to be better and more strict protocols on how to handle students who are regularly violent and assault other students and staff. This is unacceptable but appears to occur every day in schools. It's time to stop this nonsense. Somehow there are a set of people who believe that enforcing rules in a school should be done because it just leads to a school-to-prison pipeline. Their solution is to allow the poorly behaving students to do whatever they please -- including assaulting teachers -- with little to no consequences.
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GWB - an expert on everything here at ET since 2002. Expert on schools because he has a teacher in the family. Expert on medicine because he has a nurse in the family. Knows everything there is to know about IT, boats and stuff nautical, is a practicing epidemiologist, foreign policy expert, political strategist....am I missing anything, I'm sure I am.

 
Tsing Tao said:
GWB - an expert on everything here at ET since 2002. Expert on schools because he has a teacher in the family. Expert on medicine because he has a nurse in the family. Knows everything there is to know about IT, boats and stuff nautical, is a practicing epidemiologist, foreign policy expert, political strategist....am I missing anything, I'm sure I am.

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I am glad you recognize my superb expertise.

I also stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

However my primary intent is to post information from respected and mainstream sources to combat all the absurd, patently-false misinformation posted in this forum by clowns. Facts matter.
 
More details about the aftermath of the shooting in this WP article.

She confronted a 6-year-old seconds after he shot his teacher
In an interview with the Washington Post, Amy Kovac describes for the first time holding the child after he shot and wounded his first-grade teacher
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/08/09/richneck-elementary-shooting-confrontation/

One notable paragraph...

The account is the first time Kovac has spoken publicly about the Jan. 6 tragedy in the Newport News school that generated nationwide attention and outrage after teachers alleged that officials ignored multiple warnings on the day of the shooting that the boy had a gun. The incident ultimately led to the ouster of Newport News’s superintendent and criminal charges for the six-year-old’s mother, and a special grand jury is investigating the actions of administrators and others before and during the incident.

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Let's hope these school administrators face indictment for their failure to act and their abusive treatment of the teacher who was shot.
 
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