Tea party revolution starting, Giffords shot dead.

flytiger · Jan 8, 2011

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Of course she was "targeted". Anyone watching health care premiums? How stupid do they think we are when premiums go up 50%, but they get a day in the Sun. I don't have any recourse. But there are nutjobs out there who do. They don't have the barrier of right and wrong.

someone said it on TV a while ago. These people don't know what it's like to lie in bed not knowing if you can feed your kids the next day. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Forget left and right. Think principled vs. opportunist.

bugscoe · Jan 8, 2011

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The shooter is not a confirmed leftist.I know the right believes if they say it its true .That might work with other righties but not with everyone else

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Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin has now done her part to raise the rhetorical intensity, telling her Twitter followers, "Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: 'Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!'"

tomdavis · Jan 8, 2011

To say say that secession would "of course" lead to civil war is way over the top. It's not 1862 any more. Any "war" over secession would take place in courtroom.

Perry never said anything about starting a war. He said that when Texas joined the Union, they were also given the right to leave. Some legal scholars agree with that interpretation, most do not.

If Texas tried to secede, the final arbiter would be the Supreme Court and their interpretation of the terms and conditions of the "annexation" of the Republic of Texas.

Not a single shot will be fired anywhere except in your imagination.

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1.Rick Perry is(Texas Governor),and he threatened secession,which of course would lead to civil war

Range Rover · Jan 8, 2011

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To say say that secession would "of course" lead to civil war is way over the top. It's not 1862 any more. Any "war" over secession would take place in courtroom.

Perry never said anything about starting a war. He said that when Texas joined the Union, they were also given the right to leave. Some legal scholars agree with that interpretation, most do not.

If Texas tried to secede, the final arbiter would be the Supreme Court and their interpretation of the terms and conditions of the "annexation" of the Republic of Texas.

Not a single shot will be fired anywhere except in your imagination.

Texas already tried to secede once during the civil war and they know from that that they cant secede so why make the threat ? You know why

jficquette · Jan 8, 2011

Siap.

>>In the YouTube profile, the account holder, identified as Loughner, lists "The Communist Manifesto" and "Mein Kampf" among his favorite books.

A former classmate of Loughner's told ABC News he was extremely political in high school, but not radical. The classmate said Loughner once met Giffords in 2007 and said he thought the congresswoman was "unintelligent."<<<

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/jared...d-shooter-identified/story?id=12572164&page=1

tomdavis · Jan 8, 2011

It doesn't change the fact that you made an absolute declaration that there would be a civil war if Texas tried to secede today. There's nothing to back that up except a war that was fought in 1862.

Had Texas been the only state that tried to secede in 1862, they may have been able to negotiate an exit. They were an independent country prior to annexation and were brought into the US via a vote of congress and "without treaty" only 18 years earlier. (Which raised a number of legal questions, many of which weren't fully adjudicated until the early 1900s).

Texans who want to secede today aren't planning on starting a war. They believe they have a legal strategy that would overturn the existing court cases regarding annexation and statehood.

I doubt that they would win their legal case, but accusing Rick Perry of trying to start a civil war is pure nonsense.

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Texas already tried to secede once during the civil war and they know from that that they cant secede so why make the threats ? You know why

Range Rover · Jan 8, 2011

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Texans who want to secede today aren't planning on starting a war. They believe they have a legal strategy that would overturn the existing court cases regarding annexation and statehood.

I'm sure the 2nd amendment solution crowd who have been buying guns and ammunition at a record rate has that in mind

tomdavis · Jan 8, 2011

What evidence do you have that Texans are planning a violent war of secession?

Californians (my home state) are also buying guns and ammunition at record rates. Are Californian's planning on seceding, too?

There have also been record gun sales in places like Ohio and Pennsylvania. Are they also planning a war of secession?

You've yet to provide a shred of evidence that supports of any kind of violent Texas secession.

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I'm sure the 2nd amendment solution crowd who have been buying guns and ammunition at a record rate has that in mind

Range Rover · Jan 8, 2011

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What evidence do you have that Texans are planning a violent war of secession?

How often is secession non violent ?

Range Rover · Jan 8, 2011

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Are they also planning a war of secession?

None of those Sates ever threatened to secede nor are they solid red states full of right wing extremist