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Quote from Scataphagos:

Certainly.

140 years ago in the US, the idea of an "income tax" was initiated... I believe it was related to our Civil War costs.. and it started at 3%.

How bad is it today? With Peolsi's proposed top Federal income tax rate of 45% + the proposed 5% vat....

If I started a little personal service business today which produced $100,000 in after tax profits, here's what my tax situation might look like....

1. Federal Income tax................. 45%
2. Social Security and Medicare.... 15.3%
3. State Income tax.................... 4.65%
4. Property tax............................ 6.6%
5. Sales Tax if all spent on taxable. 8.2%
6. Pelosi's VAT............................. 5%

While it's not as simple as adding up those taxes (Federal tax is deductible against State taxable income, State income tax is deductible against Federal... but then there's the AMT, which recovers part/all deductions as income increases)... a decent rough estimate of "Total Taxes" from my $100K = ~ $76,000.

And out of my $24,000 left over, I could soon have a MANDATORY payment into a health care plan ($800-$1,000/mo?) or PERHAPS FACE PRISION of up to 5 years!

So, what incentive to I have to start such a business??

When we get annoyed at politicos or other [supposed] public servants, we often like to say, "I pay your salary. You work for me".

Wel, the first part of that is true... the second part is wrong... we ALL in the private sector work for the government these days...


You forgot the hidden taxes that you pay. Gasoline tax which varys by state, but nonetheless, you are paying 15% more for gas with that tax at todays prices. (average tax for fed/state together is 45 cents per gallon) Dont forget the inflation tax. On average you are losing 3-4% of the value of your money every year and its about to get worse. If you drink or smoke, there some more hidden tax. You got tarriffs on goods that are imported. And if you look at your utility bills you will see some hidden taxes in there that you pay.
 
Quote from makloda:


There are dozens of possibilities to shape your (and your families) own tax future. Just many simply like to whine and complain instead of taking matters in their own hands.
Yeah, if you want to renounce your U.S. citizenship.
The $87,600 foreign income exemption can't be applied to trading income.
 
Quote from Scataphagos:

So, what incentive to I have to start such a business??

In my state, 97% of all jobs are created through small businesses. Right now we have unemployment higher than the national average.

Could any liberal here please explain to me, why on earth any small businessman would want to consider hiring more employees now, when all he can project for the future are higher federal taxes, higher SS taxes, socialized healthcare, more and more gov't regulations.

The businessmen I talk to say they're tightening, not hiring and some are thinking of just calling it quits, taking their money, laying people off and walking off into retirement.
 
Quote from peilthetraveler:

You forgot the hidden taxes that you pay. Gasoline tax which varys by state, but nonetheless, you are paying 15% more for gas with that tax at todays prices. (average tax for fed/state together is 45 cents per gallon) Dont forget the inflation tax. On average you are losing 3-4% of the value of your money every year and its about to get worse. If you drink or smoke, there some more hidden tax. You got tarriffs on goods that are imported. And if you look at your utility bills you will see some hidden taxes in there that you pay.

Politicos tell us, "Bottom Line is, TAXES ARE GOING UP"... to offset the deficit, to pay for social programs.

How much higher can they go before "killing the goose that lays the golden egg"?

Are we headed for USSR type of economy and government? Their government CONFISCATED EVERYTHING and left people standing in line for potatoes and toilet paper... all so that the State could commit the entire economy's output to "defense"... in a cold war battle with the USA.

Are we headed down the same path? Is our DemoCrap oligarchy planning to CONFISCATE EVERYTHING to pay for social programs and "wealth redistribution"?

With Obama at the helm, seems so! :mad: :mad:

One thing America needs for sure... for "we the people" to rise up and tell Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Fwank et al, to FUCK OFF!!
 
Russia tried that in 90's. by doing this they create a huge black market where cash is king and nobody paying the taxes at all. people 's mentality changed completely. now,when they have 13% flat tax many of them still refusing to pay anythings. US making a huge mistake by choosing same patch.
many small businesses already offer better deals, when you pay in cash. guess why?
 
Quote from Vista:


The businessmen I talk to say they're tightening, not hiring and some are thinking of just calling it quits, taking their money, laying people off and walking off into retirement.
My employer has cut back hours for employees at one of his businesses and will be laying off staff effective Jan 1.
 
The "workers of the world that united" in California [public sector retirees, union and non] have voted themselves so much largesse that California cannot pay for their retirements, let alone pay for all the services the state is providing.. a tape was leaked from a meeting where the head accounting guy for the state was explaining that... and he was distraught too...

We've gone from budget crisis to budget crisis. They passed a budget that took months to hammer out and a week later they announced that they had Billions in shortfall for the current fiscal year because they underestimated their current income.... now they are trying to figure out how to cover a $21 Billion shortfall for the next couple of years...

The Public Sector can be that stupid.. that is a major lesson in all this, they indeed can be incredibly stupid. We have the Democrats in California that want to expand government still, they tell us that government is the answer, in fact the state has been hiring more people all the time they were working to fix the budget... so the Public Sector is out of control and it is cannibalizing the Nation if California is any indicator of what the entire country is doing... get used to it folks, they aren't even thinking of stopping it... they want to destroy the economy and march in as the heroic leaders of the revolution and assume full power over our lives... they will front a leader that will talk the voters into giving up their constitutional rights in exchange for a stipend...
 
Quote from Scataphagos:

Politicos tell us, "Bottom Line is, TAXES ARE GOING UP"... to offset the deficit, to pay for social programs.

How much higher can they go before "killing the goose that lays the golden egg"?

Are we headed for USSR type of economy and government? Their government CONFISCATED EVERYTHING and left people standing in line for potatoes and toilet paper... all so that the State could commit the entire economy's output to "defense"... in a cold war battle with the USA.

Are we headed down the same path? Is our DemoCrap oligarchy planning to CONFISCATE EVERYTHING to pay for social programs and "wealth redistribution"?

With Obama at the helm, no doubt! :mad: :mad:

One thing America needs for sure... for "we the people" to rise up and tell Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Fwank et al, to FUCK OFF!!

could that happen could there be a revolution or something like that.
 
Quote from Vista:

In my state, 97% of all jobs are created through small businesses. Right now we have unemployment higher than the national average.

Could any liberal here please explain to me, why on earth any small businessman would want to consider hiring more employees now, when all he can project for the future are higher federal taxes, higher SS taxes, socialized healthcare, more and more gov't regulations.

The businessmen I talk to say they're tightening, not hiring and some are thinking of just calling it quits, taking their money, laying people off and walking off into retirement.

The Libtards and DemoCraps are DRUNK WITH POWER... can't see SHIT in front of their faces... Hope we can delay things (Socialist handcuffs) long enough for Obamaloons to wake up and withdraw support.. :mad: :mad:
 
Quote from maxpi:

"... they want to destroy the economy and march in as the heroic leaders of the revolution and assume full power over our lives... they will front a leader that will talk the voters into giving up their constitutional rights in exchange for a stipend...

Duh! OBAMA!!!
 
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