Tax loss carryforward after going broke in trade?

I didn't start doing vol trade until 2016. I had 40% drawdowns in 2001 and 2008 and 15% in 2011. $1 mil is more than enough to retire with. (I can live modestly on 25k a year) I paid living expenses out of trading profits. I made 16% a year compounded for 9 years after 2009 (vs 15% for sp500). My position in Feb 2018 got away from me as my new broker did not have good risk assessment tools my old broker had. I had closed out 1/3 of my position before the crash or I would have lost 2.2 mil instead of 1.4 mil. My broker failed to close me out even though they knew I had 100% of my net worth in the account and had a 300k margin call, and my account had been cut in half in one day, vol was up 100% and DJIA was down a record 1175 points. They said "nothing out of the ordinary was happening" at the arbitration to warrant closing out the position. Then overnight the rest of it and 1 mil more was gone. THEN they close me out without even a courtesy call to see if I want to add more money. 5 minutes after they are done liquidating, the market soars up 500 pts and I would have had a +150k balance instead of -500k. You are right, I should just man up and end things. I am too old to start over. Nobody will let me ever trade again. My life is over. With my luck, they will probably not approve my bankruptcy.
Would you mind to share the name of the old broker with good risk management? And the one with bad risk management tool?

it is tough but with your knowledge and skills, i think you can start with even $10k account. There are so many brokers out here do not care how old you are (for example, Tastytrade).
 
I didn't start doing vol trade until 2016. I had 40% drawdowns in 2001 and 2008 and 15% in 2011. $1 mil is more than enough to retire with. (I can live modestly on 25k a year) I paid living expenses out of trading profits. I made 16% a year compounded for 9 years after 2009 (vs 15% for sp500). My position in Feb 2018 got away from me as my new broker did not have good risk assessment tools my old broker had. I had closed out 1/3 of my position before the crash or I would have lost 2.2 mil instead of 1.4 mil. My broker failed to close me out even though they knew I had 100% of my net worth in the account and had a 300k margin call, and my account had been cut in half in one day, vol was up 100% and DJIA was down a record 1175 points. They said "nothing out of the ordinary was happening" at the arbitration to warrant closing out the position. Then overnight the rest of it and 1 mil more was gone. THEN they close me out without even a courtesy call to see if I want to add more money. 5 minutes after they are done liquidating, the market soars up 500 pts and I would have had a +150k balance instead of -500k. You are right, I should just man up and end things. I am too old to start over. Nobody will let me ever trade again. My life is over. With my luck, they will probably not approve my bankruptcy.

If you can live on 25k a year indefinitely then you don't really have a problem. Any job will get you that until SS kicks in.

Otherwise, your story is what keeps me up at night - relying on trading capital for income, having "just enough" and losing it all in some catastrophic scenario. You have reminded me why I keep risk dialed down to extremely low levels, and keep the bulk of assets out of my brokerage account in low yielding safe investments.

I sincerely hope you will be able to find your way forward from this.
 
Would you mind to share the name of the old broker with good risk management? And the one with bad risk management tool?

it is tough but with your knowledge and skills, i think you can start with even $10k account. There are so many brokers out here do not care how old you are (for example, Tastytrade).
I am paranoid to post it yet, but I will after my bankruptcy is final. That should happen around January.
 
Sorry for your loss but don't blame your broker. You had successfully been trading a large account for 10+ years. It's incumbent on you to understand the risks and not rely on a broker stopping you out.
 
I am paranoid to post it yet, but I will after my bankruptcy is final. That should happen around January.

I'll repeat this again. Don't file bankruptcy unless it is absolutely the last thing you MUST do. It will screw you up in more ways than you can imagine right now. Be very very clear on what you are doing, and why.
 
That is a valid point. One thing that has stuck with me for years is Van Tharp talking about personal responsibility. I remember he had a student who was paralyzed due to a football injury. Through one of Van Tharp's workshops, he had this student finally accept responsibility for his injury. That story has stuck with me ever since.

https://www.vantharp.com/trading/honest-self-appraisal/



Sorry for your loss but don't blame your broker. You had successfully been trading a large account for 10+ years. It's incumbent on you to understand the risks and not rely on a broker stopping you out.
 
Im a newb and this shit terrifies me. However, why is it on the broker to make sure you are ok? They normally arent looking out for your best interest. No one is looking out for your best interest more than you are.

If you had experience you should have known better. I also believe most options people close out their positions and rarely hold over night - risk management thing.

Dont go killing yourself. Its just money and while money is somewhat needed to live in this life it isnt so important that you should lose your life because of it.

Just like the kid who killed himself being -700k on robinhood. Money isnt the end all be all even though it is nice to have.

Ive been broke my whole life living just above the poverty line. I dont normally think "stealing" is the answer most of the time but I have done things when I have been broke to get me by (never stole from people just big billion dollar companies). Stealing food and a few other things im not posting online. If you feel like you have to do that just be smart about it until you get some traction.

ive been homeless about 5 times already in my life. I understand being 60 makes it a little harder but these are the times where you get creative to do what you have to do. Dont hurt yourself or anyone else though. Big companies is fine. Bernie Madoff Walmart or something - No one would be mad at you for doing that.
 
I'll repeat this again. Don't file bankruptcy unless it is absolutely the last thing you MUST do. It will screw you up in more ways than you can imagine right now. Be very very clear on what you are doing, and why.

Bankruptcy is my only out. I owe almost $500k, I have no job or job prospects, and nothing to pay any of the judgment amount. If I live for 2 more years, I can get $1k a month in social security.
 
If you think you have only two years left in your life, why are you even worried about any of this?

I don't think he wrote that he thought he would die in the next two years. But if he becomes eligible to collect Social Security, it's probably safe from creditors.
https://www.indianalegalservices.org/node/503/can-creditors-take-my-social-security
Can Creditors Take My Social Security?
As a general rule, creditors cannot take (“seize”) Social Security benefits, even if they have sued you and gotten a judgment against you in court. There are, however, some limited exceptions to this rule for certain kinds of debts owed to the government, which are explained below.

Are Social Security benefits protected by law?

Yes. With the exception of certain federal agencies, creditors cannot garnish or seize Social Security benefits, whether it is retirement, disability, survivor’s benefits, or SSI. Congress has written this protection into law. This means that ordinary creditors such as credit card companies, medical collectors, and loan companies, cannot take Social Security benefits under any circumstances.

Does it matter if the creditor has sued me in court?

No. These protections apply, even if the creditor has a court judgment against you. The court may not order you to pay the judgment out of Social Security money.

Do these protections exist if the Social Security money is deposited into a bank account?

Yes. Even after Social Security funds are deposited into a bank, they are still protected from garnishment or seizure.

What if a collection agency threatens to take my Social Security?

The collection agency may be violating the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, a federal law that regulates collection agencies. You may have legal claims against the collection agency, and should seek legal advice.

Can government agencies take my Social Security benefits?

Yes, but only under limited circumstances.

First, SSI (Supplemental Security Income) cannot be taken at all.

Only federal agencies may try to take Social Security benefits. Examples of some things the federal agencies can try to take your Social Security benefits for are:

  • Federally subsidized student loans.
  • Other loans owed to, or subsidized by the government.
  • Food stamp overpayments.
Can the federal agency take my whole Social Security payment?

No. A government agency can take only a limited portion of the monthly Social Security check. The first $750 per month, or $9000 per year, cannot be taken. So if your benefits are less than $750 per month, your benefits cannot be taken.

If your benefits are more than $750 per month, the government agency can take the lesser of:

  1. The amount of the debt;
  2. 15% of your monthly payment; OR
  3. The amount by which your monthly payment is more than $750.
Debts to the IRS do NOT follow the rules above. The IRS can take up to 15% of your monthly Social Security benefit even if you get less than $750.

Can I protest the government’s action?

Yes. You have the right to get advance, written notices that the government is going to “offset” (take a portion of) your Social Security benefits. You have the right to a hearing if you don’t think you owe the money. You may wish to seek legal advice. Another alternative is to set up payment arrangements with the government agency that is threatening to take your Social Security benefits.

Can I get rid of the government debt in bankruptcy?

In many cases, yes. There are, however, important exceptions, including:

  • Student loans and taxes can be discharged only in limited circumstances.
  • The debt will not be discharged if the government proves you obtained the debt by false pretenses or fraud.

So he might not need to file bankruptcy.
 
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