Tax cuts and war

Rising energy prices over the next ten years is going to cause inflation, this should be Americas main concern, never has oil stayed this high for so long, never. The market is telling us something and we had better pay attention.

America can take the lead on this, I am sick of seeing MADE IN CHINA on every single thing I buy, its all throw away junk.

We american use to make things, good thing that would last decades, what happened?
 
Quote from Dr.Greenback:

Well, I'm not here to argue with you but, your assertion that by 2010 entitlements can't be met is highly exaggerated. Social Security benefits are funded by payroll taxes which americans have over paid for during the last 25 years.

The excess revenues has been placed in gov. Social Security trust funds which the government will cash in when "payroll taxes" no provide "full benefits" to retirees. In addition, in a flourishing economy, an increase in revenues will also generate a higher "income tax" which will also help payout out social security benefits. The collapse of Social security System is greatly exaggerated and a outright lie. This myth is perpetuated by the doomsday "projections" of slower growth and a weaker economy.

They will "cash in" the trust fund?

LOL, dude, all they have in that "trust fund" is IOU's from the US Government. And additionally, since they are using the surplus of SS revenues over payouts to make the budget deficit look smaller (and have been since the days of Pres Johnson), the are going to find at the same time that the deificit grows by another $150 billion as those payouts start rising.

Are they going to double taxes? Naaaaaa. Maybe a little, but most of the answer will be that they print the money to write the checks and pretend somehow that the inflation it will cause didn't occur. Just like they have been doing, but on a much larger scale, that's all.

There was some news today where the government admitted the whole thing is toast by 2019.
 
Fair points gentlemen, however, that trust fund will still show a net growth due to interest accumulated on those bonds a little longer than is suggested. Furthermore, the economy is strong and earnings are up. Therefore, that trust fund won't go bankrupt anytime soon.

The doom and gloomers crowd predict slow growth in a weak earnings economy. There's nothing now that validates this opinion. Any theorist alluding to this are merely "top pickers" at best. But, if liberals have there way, meaning higher taxes coupled with excess government spending in social programs; There will be a problem. My point being; If the US creates a deficit which leads to stronger earnings and lower unemployment; it's fine. And this is the situation we have now. :cool:
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

A few thoughts....

Around 40% of wage earners pay ZERO Federal income tax. (mostly part timers, low wage earners ect.)

As a % of GDP the deficits are not worrisome by historical yardsticks and in fact Japan has about 2.6 times the per capita public debt as the U.S.

The dollar is a long way's away from "crisis" mode.

Actually if the U.S. was a private corporation it would most likely have even higher debt to equity ratio in order to employ capital more efficiently.
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Liberals hate America, capitalism, Christianity and thus they hate politicians i.e. Bush who promote conservative economic and social policies.

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Liberals suck.

How does Bush promote conservative economic policies? All I see him doing is spending like there is no tomorrow.

I count myself as a liberal and I don't hate America and don't hate capitalism. Everything is not black and white. Christianity has its merits but it has also been used to condone many attrocious acts. I cannot stand politicians who do not adhere to separation of church and state. Please keep your religious zealotry out of running the government.
 
I'm not a liberal, nor do I hate America, Capitalism or Christianity.

But the point was that the pooch is being screwed by wildly-insane-liberal- type-of-spending undertaken by this republican administration during "war-time." That is a fact that cannot be denied.

With regard to the USD....it's obvious by your post that you have not been to Europe lately. Try $12 for a mug of warm swill. A couple of those and fish and chips sets you back $150....for a cheap night out.

Asia....that's too funny. The majority of Chinese in the east have a better standard the do most in southeastern part of the US.

Liberals may suck...but in the last several years it's the republicans that have ruined this country.


Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Liberals hate America, capitalism, Christianity and thus they hate politicians i.e. Bush who promote conservative economic and social policies.

One hears incessantly of the dollars weakness against Europe but little of the Dollar's strength in Asia.

We hear every day about deficits but we hear little about a cynical Treasury market that prices the long bond below 5% in yield.

We hear about America ignoring Kyoto but nothing about gluttonous China being exempted by Kyoto.

Liberals yak about economic equality yet who squawks more than the Left over the emergence of competitive global economies. Places that once lived in squaller are now rivaling New York as centers of wealth and glamour. Rather than say hooray "a formally starving guy in New Delhi has a job in tech" they's rather lament, "we're losing jobs because greedy capitalists outsource."

Liberals suck.
 
Quote from Dr. Zhivodka:

Liberals may suck...but in the last several years it's the republicans that have ruined this country.

I'll agree with that, but this thread clearly needs to go visit P&R CC.
 
Quote from Dr. Zhivodka:

I'm not a liberal, nor do I hate America, Capitalism or Christianity.

But the point was that the pooch is being screwed by wildly-insane-liberal- type-of-spending undertaken by this republican administration during "war-time." That is a fact that cannot be denied.

For me to defend deficits is a real devil's advocate position. It's apparent we're going to need amend the Constitution to eliminate deficits. And yes I agree Doc, Bush is the Republican's LBJ. The GOP in Congress mourns the loss of "Contract" players from '94 like Armey, Barr, Largent, Watts etal. The Republican's lost focus but the Democrat's are fiscal death.

IMO, Bush's Keynesian approach to the 2000-2002 economic collapse was proper and needed. I believe too much in randomness to accept a lot of cause/effects but logic says cutting taxes, spending shitloads and cutting rates to nearly zero was the right move. 99% of us thought in 2002 that a MASSIVE depression was months away. It was averted.

The problem is that while rates have moved up and tax receipts rebounded, the upward spending adjustments keep on going. The cost of Iraq is insane, CPI bumped entitlement payouts are criminal and the interest cost on the debt is a few hundred billion a year.

Just the same though, as a % of GDP it's not the end of Rome. Shit I'm trying to build a short position in Bonds and the market acts as if we're running surpluses with $20 crude being pumped.


With regard to the USD....it's obvious by your post that you have not been to Europe lately. Try $12 for a mug of warm swill. A couple of those and fish and chips sets you back $150....for a cheap night out.

If you convert EUR into the old DM you're on those 80's dollar lows. No further than that. And GP was over two bucks (pre Soros trade) in 1992. Nothing new under the sun. Where's the Yen?

Funny story Doc: I got away from the screen this afternoon to lunch with a visiting Chicagoan at his hotel's poolside. He brought along a late 30's German couple staying in the room next to his. We started talking about cars and exchange rates. The German said many older 911's are disappearing from the U.S. and being repatriated into Germany! He said a $20k Porsche here is 20k EUR in Germany. A freakin' reverse grey market!


Asia....that's too funny. The majority of Chinese in the east have a better standard the do most in southeastern part of the US.

Liberals may suck...but in the last several years it's the republicans that have ruined this country.

You haven't visited the Southeast recently. It's booming. Even Jax.

The country has certainly changed. Big time. I'm not so sure though to say that it's declined. It's darker, more urban, more in flux but down here in third world SoFla it's 2.9% unemployed and in the past month FOUR homes out of 150 in this enclave have been torn down in separate McMansion flurry. And none are on "spec." So we can both be negative but the tape disagrees. Out of my vast circle of friends how many are truly suffering financially? Only the one's who've gotten clocked trading. Every 40 something guy I know with a normal job or business is doing ok. People 40 or older own their homes at good levels, own appreciating stocks and are pretty well set. So I'm not ready to make the "easy trade" and say death to America because of illegal immigrants, deficits, Iraq blah blah, blah.

We've chugged through bigger things than this....
 
Quote from Dr.Greenback:

To all the liberals out there. I have two words. LAFFER CURVE!..hahaha.:p

Just joking. but I had to take a shot at cha!:cool:

I guess if you have to explain the joke, it loses something. I looked up Laffer Curve and couldn't see the humor. Forgive my ignorance.
 
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