TAPE READING (chat room cont.)

tape reading

  • go long at bid

    Votes: 19 20.9%
  • go long at offer

    Votes: 38 41.8%
  • place short at bid (bullet or conversion) reg sho.

    Votes: 17 18.7%
  • place short at offer

    Votes: 17 18.7%

  • Total voters
    91
  • Poll closed .
Quote from eusdaiki:

I posted an article about the merger on the trading forum. I don't think it approaches the issue of tape reading directly, but it should be a good guide of what we can expect from the merger.

Once the NYSE goes 100% electronic and the specialists are gone, tape reading as we know it will be over. The whole idea about reading the tape has to do with recognizing the patterns of one person, the specialist. Once the market becomes fragmented and electronic, this will simply not be possible. All good things usually come to an end.
 
I've been following this thread closely and would like to thank everyone for their quality posts. It's really opened my eyes. Below is a description of a tool in cybertrader, and I was wondering if this could provide the type of information Maverick is able to identify on the tapes?

See attachment for graphic.

THE HAMMER
The Hammer was designed to alert you to which Market Makers are most active in a given stock by tracking the number of times they have refreshed their quote at the inside bid and ask. It displays the top five Market Makers on each side. The benefit of the Hammer is that you can see at a glance what Market Makers are possible "major players" in that stock during that trading day.
 

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It looks interesting, at least in theory... it should allow one to follow Market Makers at the NaSdAQ the way tape readers follow the specialist.
Quote from bigsid:

I've been following this thread closely and would like to thank everyone for their quality posts. It's really opened my eyes. Below is a description of a tool in cybertrader, and I was wondering if this could provide the type of information Maverick is able to identify on the tapes?

See attachment for graphic.

THE HAMMER
The Hammer was designed to alert you to which Market Makers are most active in a given stock by tracking the number of times they have refreshed their quote at the inside bid and ask. It displays the top five Market Makers on each side. The benefit of the Hammer is that you can see at a glance what Market Makers are possible "major players" in that stock during that trading day.
 
Quote from bigsid:

I've been following this thread closely and would like to thank everyone for their quality posts. It's really opened my eyes. Below is a description of a tool in cybertrader, and I was wondering if this could provide the type of information Maverick is able to identify on the tapes?

See attachment for graphic.

THE HAMMER
The Hammer was designed to alert you to which Market Makers are most active in a given stock by tracking the number of times they have refreshed their quote at the inside bid and ask. It displays the top five Market Makers on each side. The benefit of the Hammer is that you can see at a glance what Market Makers are possible "major players" in that stock during that trading day.

I hate to say this, but that tool is meaningless. It is not the same thing as tape reading. Tape reading is very specific. You cannot read ECN's, NYOB, or look at MM's in a special window. There are many software tools out there that attempt to provide transparency as it relates to the tape and they are all equally worthless. Reading the tape is a very tough skill that must be learned. There are no short cuts.
 
Quote from Maverick74:

I hate to say this, but that tool is meaningless. It is not the same thing as tape reading. Tape reading is very specific. You cannot read ECN's, NYOB, or look at MM's in a special window. There are many software tools out there that attempt to provide transparency as it relates to the tape and they are all equally worthless. Reading the tape is a very tough skill that must be learned. There are no short cuts.

Maverick,

Thank you so much for the prompt response. I figured that was the case, but just wanted to check. Your posts are fantastic.

Sid
 
lol. maybe for you. there are still patterns in the limit-order-books, just not so easy to see.

--Stephen

Quote from Maverick74:

Once the NYSE goes 100% electronic and the specialists are gone, tape reading as we know it will be over. The whole idea about reading the tape has to do with recognizing the patterns of one person, the specialist. Once the market becomes fragmented and electronic, this will simply not be possible. All good things usually come to an end.
 
I have already started to learn the "new" tape reading which is testing black box algorithmns. I am finding that, by mesing around with bids and offers in certain situations on NYSE stocks, the black box programs tip their hands and when they do, you can really capitalize.
 
Quote from Steve Tvardek:

I have already started to learn the "new" tape reading which is testing black box algorithmns. I am finding that, by mesing around with bids and offers in certain situations on NYSE stocks, the black box programs tip their hands and when they do, you can really capitalize.

Steve,

This is very interesting. Can you explain in details and give us an example?
 
Quote from Maverick74:

I hate to say this, but that tool is meaningless. It is not the same thing as tape reading. Tape reading is very specific. You cannot read ECN's, NYOB, or look at MM's in a special window. There are many software tools out there that attempt to provide transparency as it relates to the tape and they are all equally worthless. Reading the tape is a very tough skill that must be learned. There are no short cuts.
Maverick how do you define tape reading? Is it only intraday? Or can it be done on a daily basis or say even weekly basis?
 
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