Taliban in Kabul as President Flees

Pentagon finally confirms what is already known: The airstrike that allegedly killed an isis bomber was just another fuck-up out of many in the Kabul Klown Show. All of the killed were civilians, most were children.

I wonder if Commander in Chief Shiite for Brains Biden will be as quick to come to podium and take responsibility as he was to beat his chest when he thought he was President Ballsy who had just killed an isis bomber. PROBABLY NOT. Not to forget that he was happy over this airstrike because he was taking so much heat over the marines and civilians who were drawn into his kill zone. In reality he just ended out killing children as a way of striking back. Stupidity on stupidity.

At least the Pentagon has confirmed what happened and stopped the ridiculous White House Psaki spin. Nevertheless, there will be the daily handing out of "HELL, OF A JOB, BROWNIE" awards. Everything is beautiful. Fantastic success. And if another dozen Americans are killed, well you know how the dance works now. They will just let in another hundred thousand refugees to "compensate."

Equivalent tonnage, as discussed.


Pentagon admits Aug. 29 drone strike in Kabul killed 10 civilians, including up to 7 children

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/17/us-...s-including-seven-children-pentagon-says.html
 
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This was days after they launched an internal investigation

Pentagon defends Kabul drone strike as ‘righteous’
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley said Wednesday one person killed in the strike was linked to the Islamic State. Milley did not name the person killed and offered few further details.
 
Mercor said:
This was days after they launched an internal investigation

Pentagon defends Kabul drone strike as ‘righteous’
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley said Wednesday one person killed in the strike was linked to the Islamic State. Milley did not name the person killed and offered few further details.
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They are idiots - all of them- Biden foremost among them.

If they were brain surgeons and you went to them for brain surgery, they would end out removing your left kidney. Then it would be Trump's fault.
 
This latest news coming out of Afghanistan is simply tragic. Another example of our very flawed intelligence gathering there.

We still have people stuck, who knows how many pro-US Afghan’s hiding needing out..... there is no good news.

Time for all the political double speak to stop. There’s no spin, no twisted facts that make everything ok. Own the crap, start dealing truthfully with everything and people need to be held accountable.
 
Wallet said:
This latest news coming out of Afghanistan is simply tragic. Another example of our very flawed intelligence gathering there.

We still have people stuck, who knows how many pro-US Afghan’s hiding needing out..... there is no good news.

Time for all the political double speak to stop. There’s no spin, no twisted facts that make everything ok. Own the crap, start dealing truthfully with everything and people need to be held accountable.
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I don’t know how much of the talking point “we still have people stuck” is accurate. Do you have any sources or information on this?

The State Department is representing that majority of Americans in Afghanistan are dual citizens whose life is in Afghanistan and did not want to leave. They are claiming they are urging them to leave and will help them.
 
UsualName said:
I don’t know how much of the talking point “we still have people stuck” is accurate. Do you have any sources or information on this?

The State Department is representing that majority of Americans in Afghanistan are dual citizens whose life is in Afghanistan and did not want to leave. They are claiming they are urging them to leave and will help them.
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????

I thought we still had some stuck there.

Quick DDG turned up this from today.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/office/many-americans-allies-still-stuck-in-afghanistan/vi-AAOywan

Not counting those who helped us that need out.

But even your post “the majority” ..... do we have people stuck there, even a few? Everything coming out of this administration aims at glossing over the events in Afghanistan and every time they do it makes matters worse.
 
Wallet said:
Time for all the political double speak to stop. There’s no spin, no twisted facts that make everything ok. Own the crap, start dealing truthfully with everything and people need to be held accountable.
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This is the closest I've seen the armed forces "own up" to a fuck up in a long ass time. I don't even remember if they did under Obama when he was bombing weddings and hospitals.

Let's be honest though, the last guy was releasing war criminals and being cheered for it by the very members now clutching their pearls, doubling civilian casualties and being loved for it. Apologizing for it would be considered weak:

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/trump-pardons-war-criminal.332309/

https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...sed-civilian-deaths-by-330-since-2016-2020-12
Trump pledged to stop 'endless wars' but his airstrikes in Afghanistan increased civilian deaths by 330% since 2016
  • Civilian deaths from airstrikes in Afghanistan rose drastically during the Trump era, according to a new study from Brown University's Costs of War project.
  • "The number of civilians killed by international airstrikes increased about 330 percent from 2016, the last full year of the Obama Administration, to 2019," the study said.
Civilian deaths skyrocketed in Afghanistan under President Donald Trump, whose administration relaxed the rules of engagement for airstrikes in 2017, according to a new study from the Costs of War Project at Brown University.

"The number of civilians killed by international airstrikes increased about 330 percent from 2016, the last full year of the Obama Administration, to 2019, the most recent year for which there is complete data from the United Nations," Neta C. Crawford, who led the study, wrote in a report on the findings. "The restraints on airstrikes are intended to save civilian lives, and the restraints generally do: the evidence shows that civilian casualties due to airstrikes decrease."

Airstrikes killed 700 civilians in Afghanistan in 2019 alone, more than any other year since the early days of the war in 2002, according to the study. "There were more weapons dropped from the air in 2018 and 2019 than at the height of US presence in Afghanistan in 2011," the report stated.

The US, its allies, and the Afghan government killed an average of 582 civilians per year from 2007 to 2016. The annual average of civilians killed rose by nearly 95% from 2017 through 2019 to 1,134 each year.

"Starting in 2017, the US and its allies dramatically increased the number of weapons released from the air," Crawford wrote. "The Pentagon signaled an escalation in the war in 2017 when it dropped its largest yield bomb, the Massive Ordnance Air Blast (MOAB) – nicknamed the 'Mother of All Bombs' – in April 2017 against ISIS forces located in eastern Afghanistan. This was the first combat deployment of that weapon in any war zone."

After the US dropped the MOAB, Trump said, "We have the greatest military in the world, and they've done a job as usual. So we have given them total authorization, and that's what they're doing. And frankly, that's why they've been so successful lately."

Crawford said the aim of relaxing the rules of engagement was to "gain leverage at the bargaining table."

Following a peace deal between the US and the Taliban in February, airstrikes by the US and its international allies declined, which also led to a reduction in the harm to civilians caused by those strikes.

"The Afghan government is now negotiating with the Taliban and as part of a broader offensive, perhaps aimed at increasing Afghan government leverage in the talks, air strikes by the Afghan Air Force (AAF) have increased," Crawford went on to say. "As a consequence, the AAF is harming more Afghan civilians than at any time in its history."

Trump pledged to stop "endless wars" during his 2016 campaign and he's moved to drastically reduce the number of US troops in Afghanistan before he leaves office in January. But the new Costs of War study suggests the war in Afghanistan in many ways only escalated for the Afghan people under Trump's watch.
 
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Cuddles said:
This is the closest I've seen the armed forces "own up" to a fuck up in a long ass time. I don't even remember if they did under Obama when he was bombing weddings and hospitals.

Let's be honest though, the last guy was releasing war criminals and being cheered for it by the very members now clutching their pearls now, doubling civilian casualties and being loved for it. Apologizing for it would be considered weak:

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/trump-pardons-war-criminal.332309/

https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...sed-civilian-deaths-by-330-since-2016-2020-12
Trump pledged to stop 'endless wars' but his airstrikes in Afghanistan increased civilian deaths by 330% since 2016
  • Civilian deaths from airstrikes in Afghanistan rose drastically during the Trump era, according to a new study from Brown University's Costs of War project.
  • "The number of civilians killed by international airstrikes increased about 330 percent from 2016, the last full year of the Obama Administration, to 2019," the study said.
Civilian deaths skyrocketed in Afghanistan under President Donald Trump, whose administration relaxed the rules of engagement for airstrikes in 2017, according to a new study from the Costs of War Project at Brown University.

"The number of civilians killed by international airstrikes increased about 330 percent from 2016, the last full year of the Obama Administration, to 2019, the most recent year for which there is complete data from the United Nations," Neta C. Crawford, who led the study, wrote in a report on the findings. "The restraints on airstrikes are intended to save civilian lives, and the restraints generally do: the evidence shows that civilian casualties due to airstrikes decrease."

Airstrikes killed 700 civilians in Afghanistan in 2019 alone, more than any other year since the early days of the war in 2002, according to the study. "There were more weapons dropped from the air in 2018 and 2019 than at the height of US presence in Afghanistan in 2011," the report stated.

The US, its allies, and the Afghan government killed an average of 582 civilians per year from 2007 to 2016. The annual average of civilians killed rose by nearly 95% from 2017 through 2019 to 1,134 each year.

"Starting in 2017, the US and its allies dramatically increased the number of weapons released from the air," Crawford wrote. "The Pentagon signaled an escalation in the war in 2017 when it dropped its largest yield bomb, the Massive Ordnance Air Blast (MOAB) – nicknamed the 'Mother of All Bombs' – in April 2017 against ISIS forces located in eastern Afghanistan. This was the first combat deployment of that weapon in any war zone."

After the US dropped the MOAB, Trump said, "We have the greatest military in the world, and they've done a job as usual. So we have given them total authorization, and that's what they're doing. And frankly, that's why they've been so successful lately."

Crawford said the aim of relaxing the rules of engagement was to "gain leverage at the bargaining table."

Following a peace deal between the US and the Taliban in February, airstrikes by the US and its international allies declined, which also led to a reduction in the harm to civilians caused by those strikes.

"The Afghan government is now negotiating with the Taliban and as part of a broader offensive, perhaps aimed at increasing Afghan government leverage in the talks, air strikes by the Afghan Air Force (AAF) have increased," Crawford went on to say. "As a consequence, the AAF is harming more Afghan civilians than at any time in its history."

Trump pledged to stop "endless wars" during his 2016 campaign and he's moved to drastically reduce the number of US troops in Afghanistan before he leaves office in January. But the new Costs of War study suggests the war in Afghanistan in many ways only escalated for the Afghan people under Trump's watch.
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If your going back in history to cover for the failure of Biden...how about this guy
History shows us that President Johnson should have been impeached
Instead, he opted out of running for re-election in 1968

...And lets not even bring up Martin Van Buren
 
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