If only Biden took defeat and surrender as seriously as the Japanese did/do.
Japanese were defeated in a war across the entire Pacific and were forced to surrender and stop fighting or be bombed back to the stoneage.
We were basically occupying Afghanistan and decided there was no point in having U.S. military occupy a foreign country and die for no reason at great expense. That is not defeat and surrender, that is fuck this country, she is all yours. no one believed we should stay there so leaving is not defeat. What is the point of spending billions to occupy Afghanistan?
If trump was president he still would have pulled out you would be hailing it as a great victory with him negotiating with terrorists while the taliban still would have taken over the country since the Afghani army was NEVER going to fight.
All of you have short term memor like trump was advocating we stay and fight and win when he is the one who openly said it is better to negotiate with the terrorists so we can leave.