Taliban in Kabul as President Flees

[El OchoCinco]

We are not going to abandon Americans who want to come home."

Why is she saying it like that.... what Americans in Afghanistan want to stay versus come home??

 

[elderado]

That shit's so disingenuous. You got Pompeo meeting w/Taliban on Donnie's orders and leaving the Afghan government out of the conversation. You got Trump's Miller guy lobbying USCIS/DHS to restrict/reduce/sabotage Afghan refugee pleas.

Absolutely ridiculous, as usual.

 

[CaptainObvious]

I hear that. But as I said a couple days ago the reporting and focus is very "Kabul-centric" for a number of understandable reasons.

I have, along with most others, an appetite for seeing some more aggressive and ballsy action in Kabul to retake it or portions of it and re-establish control at least for the purpose of evacuation.

Unfortunately- the Kabul-centric- focus undercalculates the vast number of Americans and other allies still out in other parts of the country. So we can send in more military and take Kabul or enter into some kind of engagement but those in the outlying areas will disappear into hostage-land almost immediately and they can forget about any thought of making it to Kabul for exit.

Just sayin, I am wide-eyed about what the cost of going into Kabul and/or restarting the war so to speak would be. What Biden is wide-eyed about I dont know, but I see the risk to the non-Kabul citizens as very high. That is not to say it should not be done, just that they absolutely need to exhaust negotiations but without it turning into dithering, and they need to be realistic about the fact that it is an operation to reduce net loss, because Americans are either going to be killed there and in the hinterlands or disappear into hostage scenarios. It would be equally dangerous to just dither because Joe says we are getting out without losing anyone except the peasants we have lost already and he does not care about.

The 64,000 dollar question is "what will the Taliban do after the August 31 deadline if it is extended?" If they are just going to put the hammer down and close all lids in and out of the country and say that they abided by the deadline, then the Americans should have moved earlier even if it had high costs. We are largely dependent on the intel operations that fucked this up in the first place. What a mess.

You better believe it brother. If the Taliban go full tilt next week we have a very tough decision. Go in big, or watch thousands get slaughtered while the world watches us and says WTF. We go in big there will be no time for assessments of collateral damage. It'll be messy, messy like we haven't seen in quite some time. Joe has one hope. He can buy time, literally, and keep the Taliban from doing what they do best, head chopping. Of course ISIS is now in play, and the Tali won't put off their blood lust for long, money or no money. Me thinks we're just seeing the opening act for a killing field.

 

[Overnight]

You better believe it brother. If the Taliban go full tilt next week we have a very tough decision. Go in big, or watch thousands get slaughtered while the world watches us and says WTF. We go in big there will be no time for assessments of collateral damage. It'll be messy, messy like we haven't seen in quite some time. Joe has one hope. He can buy time, literally, and keep the Taliban from doing what they do best, head chopping. Of course ISIS is now in play, and the Tali won't put off their blood lust for long, money or no money. Me thinks we're just seeing the opening act for a killing field.

So what we need is a BladeRunner satellite of death in the sky to focus in on the airport perimeter.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Why is she saying it like that.... what Americans in Afghanistan want to stay versus come home??

She is responding as though he said "abandoned" which is somewhat revealing. Apparently that is the accusation that they prepped for. But he didn't say that. He said "stranded." If she thinks that is not an appropriate term to use, well then, take it up with the Americans there and their families at home in the U.S or elsewhere.

 

[CaptainObvious]

So what we need is a BladeRunner satellite of death in the sky to focus in on the airport perimeter.

Pretty much

 

[El OchoCinco]

She is responding as though he said "abandoned" which is somewhat revealing. Apparently that is the accusation that they prepped for. But he didn't say that. He said "stranded." If she thinks that is not an appropriate term to use, well then, take it up with the Americans there and their families at home in the U.S or elsewhere.

i was talking about more the part that said "who want to come home..." as though they are saying fuck the ones that want to stay..not our problem... but again ALL the AMERICANS want to come home.

Like she could have said All the Americans will be taken out.... she usually is pretty sharp but that comment phrasing sounded silly while Taliban are entering the city and vowing to kill Americans.

 

[themickey]

Why is she saying it like that.... what Americans in Afghanistan want to stay versus come home??

The goodie good two shoes.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

i was talking about more the part that said "who want to come home..." as though they are saying fuck the ones that want to stay..not our problem... but again ALL the AMERICANS want to come home.

Like she could have said All the Americans will be taken out.... she usually is pretty sharp but that comment phrasing sounded silly while Taliban are entering the city and vowing to kill Americans.

I see. Well, ya, not smooth.

 

[WWarrior]

Every plane arriving in Kabul for evacuations should be packed with Rangers and SpecOps people.

Heavily armed angry men get off the plane and evacuees board the plane to leave.

When this goes sideways we need to retake Bagram and work from there. A perimeter much larger than Bagram will need to be carved out. As it is now, the result of this is going to be that we don't leave Afghanistan. If it wasn't a perpetual war before it will be now.

I think the US is done there and China needs the resources to supply the West with its electric car targets.

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