Taleb -Black Swan on $1,000 per month

puts:
GS July 130
MCP July 40

Quote from drenaud:

I am willing to spend $1,000 per month betting on a black swan.

My thoughts were to purchase SP500 puts (ES). But then I got stuck.

Do I purchase a few puts that are close to the money? Do I purchase puts that are many months out?

It seems that Taleb purchased options for between .05 and .25. This implies that he bought way out of the money and\or of short duration.

My question is if I am willing to sink the $1,000 per month what will give the biggest bang if the a big negative event happens?

Thanks,

David
 
$1000 a month for the rare event!!!??? You can play options for earnings events for certain companies quarterly and be way ahead, and use that to offset the BlackSwan events. In my 15 years or so I have found particular companies that are fairly good for option bets going into earnings. The list has changed over the years, but that is why this is a job and requires some work. I guess the guy who would be defined as my mentor as what I learned from him clicked, turned me onto the earnings trade in options. He regularly picked options before earnings that made money. It was a sideline to my learning to trade futures, but I spent the time figuring out it out. The Blackswan is good if you hit it quickly, but you could easily run through more money than you ever make betting on it. It is a Vegas bet, like Keno, the odds are way against you guessing it right, and you will be long in the hole before you win. Look for more obvious bets, and put the odds more to your favor. There are definite plays available, but you never plan to win them all, but to come out ahead.
 
Quote from drenaud:

I am willing to spend $1,000 per month betting on a black swan.
Buy $10 of lottery tickets a week and put the balance in some solid investments. If you can do 6% a year, in 20+ years you'll have a million dollar nest egg. And if you're like most ET traders, you'll get there in a fraction of that time :D
 
I think the black swan strategy is a bit overated , too costly to implement probably. You need a timing element , and even if you get that right , you also need to take at least some profits when you have them because at expiration you could still lose money , especially with Bernanke and Co.
 
Quote from Maverick74:

I think you are misunderstanding what a black swan is. A black swan by definition cannot be a stock market crash. You have to bet on something to happen that has NOT happened before, hence a black swan.

When Taleb made a fortune in 1987 option prices did not have a put skew. They never were priced for the possibility of a 23% drop in one day. Same with the Euro Dollar calls he was long. After the 87 crash the put skew surfaced and made betting on a crash next to impossible. Once something happens the market looks in the rear view mirror and prices in the possibility of that event happening again.

What you need to do is bet on something that not only has not happened but also something that nobody thinks will happen. Another example was the mortgage meltdown. The CDS on mortgages were priced in with a zero probability of a default (for the most part). Nobody ever thought housing prices could even decline much less default. So guys like Paulson were actually putting on a trade that cost next to nothing betting on an event that has never happened and nobody expected to happen.

Obviously betting on something that meets this criteria is difficult. It's kind of like saying, invent the next twitter or facebook. Just think really hard, it will come to you. Then once it is invented you say to yourself, why didn't I think of that.

Anyway, the problem you have betting on anything that "could" happen is that option prices will price that in. They are in the business of pricing in all probabilities. Once you price that stuff in, there really is no edge in betting on it.

"A black swan by definition cannot be a stock market crash. You have to bet on something to happen that has NOT happened before, hence a black swan. "
the instrument must be cheap in price. +likely it can only be custom made by a bank or brokerage firm.
therefore if you are part of the investing public it is impossible to achieve because the type of instruments that you need are not available to you.
even a bet on interest rates rising in Japan in the next 2+ years which does not quite meet the definition is unavailable generally to the investing/ trading public.
 
Taleb's approach is to take no risk, and at the same time take large risk. In other words, put your money in t-bills/bonds and use the interest from those to purchase OTM options.

I suppose what you lose in this strategy, if no black swan event happens, is capital due to taxes, inflation, and opportunity costs. However, you won't blow up either. So, $12,000/year isn't enough interest income to implement that approach (unless you save for many many years before beginning.)
 
Quote from panzerman:
...However, you won't blow up either...
Actually, you can and Taleb did... Maybe not blow up in a dramatic sense, but you can sure underperform the mkt and your peers to the point where you have to close down shop.
 
Quote from Maverick74:

I think you are misunderstanding what a black swan is. A black swan by definition cannot be a stock market crash. You have to bet on something to happen that has NOT happened before, hence a black swan.
I don't know who the Black Swan authority is but Taleb referred to them as rare and unpredictible. His book's title was :

"The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable"

not

"The Black Swan: The Impact of the Never Before Seen Event."

:)
 
Quote from Martinghoul:

Actually, you can and Taleb did... Maybe not blow up in a dramatic sense, but you can sure underperform the mkt and your peers to the point where you have to close down shop.

I think his current fund was down 10% last year.
 
Quote from newwurldmn:
I think his current fund was down 10% last year.
I am referring to his earlier efforts, actually. In general, like pretty much anything in life, buying lottery tickets, if done to excess and indiscriminately, can kill you. Compared to short vol strats, probably not as effortlessly and certainly not as spectacularly, but the end result would be the same.
 
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