Taking 76K to 500K by Year End

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Quote from Daal:

with regards to the leverage, all I'm saying is you could use the extra prop leverage to structure the trade to be equivalent as if you were using options, losing 5% if stopped out per trade, thats hard to do with retail 2-1 overnight but can be done prop, if you could calculate the extra cost your paying for using options you could be amazed how much your spending. asfar as volume goes im sure there are remote prop firms(that means online) who dont demand high volume
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With a prop leverage of say 20:1, what drawdown will the firm allow? Can they handle a loss of 5% of the buying balance (total available funds), with the hope you will recover, or will they force you to shut down? Probably I have the wrong idea of how they operate, but I still think they do not conform to my trading style.
 
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With a prop leverage of say 20:1, what drawdown will the firm allow? Can they handle a loss of 5% of the buying balance (total available funds), with the hope you will recover, or will they force you to shut down? Probably I have the wrong idea of how they operate, but I still think they do not conform to my trading style.
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chances are they will only care if you lose it all, then they will be worried you wont reload. they make money on commisions like retail, not that much difference
 
Neke,

Congrats! 45% in a week!.. I made 50% on September and I was absolutely elated!.. too elated.. Now your next 2 weeks REALLY matter! It's like a break of serve in tennis.. it's you holding yours that now matters... Please hang on.. question is whether markets bottom next week (me thinks so) or keep bleeding..
 
Weekly Update for week 38 ended 11/16/2007

Horrible week. Glad I can look beyond the week, and the awful trading. Suffered a major option loss, without which I would have made an OK week.

The week began on a good note on Monday, shorting ETFC at 6.05 premarket, covering after market opened with that precipitous drop to 4.75, realising 39K (the stock closed the day at 3.55, so apparently left more than 30K on the table). Same day got mixed results trading the market sell-off. Bought BIDU calls earlier in the day, trying to pick the bottom, losing 25K. Fortunately made it back in the same stock near end of day with a put option.

Then came the awful Tuesday. Who knew you could loss so much on an immobile stock like WMT! Made some really bad decision buying the NOV 45 put after its earnings, and the rise in early trade, based on expectation that the stock does not hold on to its gains after earnings. However, this time it was different. Bought a total of 2000 contracts at average of $0.45! (first 1000 @ 0.55, next 1000 @ 0.35, averaging down on a loser). Eventually got out at $0.15 for a whopping 59K loss. Did so many things wrong: buying out of money put with 3 days to expiration not a good idea, taking on a size that is out of proportion to the trading volume on the contract (I probably accounted for one-quarter of the volume for the day) placing me at the mercy of the market maker with his bid-ask spread, ignoring the spread, and of course averaging down.

Whalloped by a whipsaw on Friday, shorting GRMN pre-market at 97.50, forced to cover 104.50 pre-market (who knew all that volume in pre-market was spurious), went long at 100.00 sold near the bottom for the day at 94.00. Total loss 17.5K. goooooooooooosh!

Need to trade cautiously next week.

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Balance B/F:                   		240,411
Loss for the week 		        -36,686
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Balance C/F:                   		203,725
Number of Trades	            	 23
Number of Profitable Trades    	    	 11

Since Inception of Thread   2/25/2007 - 11/16/2007

Balance B/F:                   		 76,636
Net Gain (Less Margin Interest)		198,089
Cash Withdrawal		       		-71,000
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Balance C/F:                   		203,725 (Adjusted balance before withdrawals is 274725, up 255% )
Number of Trades	           	 1030
Number of Profitable Trades        	 583

Expected Balance at this time to be on track for Year-End Target : 
			       387,173

Status:			       Behind Target		(Based on adjusted balance before withdrawals)

Top/Bottom Discretionary Trades for the week

TICKER	ENTRY DATE/TIME		EXIT DATE/TIME		QTY	PURCHASE AMT	SOLD AMT	GAINS/LOSS	TYPE

ETFC	2007-11-12-08-22-49	2007-11-12-09-39-41	30000	142073		181504		39388		SHORT
BDUWZ	2007-11-12-14-15-16	2007-11-12-15-59-20	5000	30000		57500		27404		BIDU NOV 300 PUT
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BDUKG	2007-11-12-09-36-26	2007-11-12-14-06-56	5000	50000		25000		-25095		BIDU NOV 340 CALL
WMTWI	2007-11-13-09-32-32	2007-11-13-12-36-11	190000	84500		28530		-58891		WMT NOV 45 PUT
							

                                        (Before Interest and Other charges)
                                        TRANSACTIONS ANALYSIS FROM 2007-02-25 TO 2007-11-17

                             Current Week                                    |	Since Inception of Thread
                                                                             |                                           
                Method          Gains/Loss       No Of          Profitable   |  Gains/Loss       No Of       Profitable  
                                                Trades              Trades   |                  Trades           Trades  
Automated       AutoTrade1               0           0                   0   |        5652         208              116  
                AutoTrade2               0           0                   0   |        3372          12                8  
                AutoTrade3               0           0                   0   |       -4523           3                0  
                AutoTrade4               0           0                   0   |      -15301           3                0  
                                -----------     --------        ------------ |  -----------     ------       ------------
Total Automated                          0           0                   0   |      -10800         226              124  
                                -----------     --------        ------------ |  -----------     ------       ------------
Discretionary   Long                -15276           6                   1   |      -63660         271              156  
                Short                23327           6                   3   |       73929         282              164  
                Options(long)       -44750          11                   7   |      199329         251              139  
                                -----------     --------        ------------ |  -----------     ------       ------------
Total Discretionary                 -36699          23                  11   |      209597         804              459  
                                ===========     ========        ============ |  ===========     ======       ============
Net Totals                          -36699          23                  11   |      198797        1030              583  
                                ===========     ========        ============ |  ===========     ======       ============
 

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hey man

was up early....i did nearly the exact same thing on GRMN today both ways...screwed both ways at nearly same prices

should have made thousands by 9:35 but lost thousands

somehow i managed to go positive for the day...so good comeback but i feel ur pain

p.s. i destroyed my entire bed at 9:35am in frustration
 
Neke, I am learning so much from you. Particularly the idea of not getting emotional about a Loss or a Gain, but instead staying focused on the GOAL.

I do have a question. You have been so successful this year even with the withdrawals. When are you planning to do this full time?
 
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Neke, I am learning so much from you. Particularly the idea of not getting emotional about a Loss or a Gain, but instead staying focused on the GOAL.

I do have a question. You have been so successful this year even with the withdrawals. When are you planning to do this full time?
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Glad you are getting something from it. As stated previously I will not consider full-time trading until my equity hits 500K, unless of course if my regular job gets uncomfortable.
 
neke

why have you stopped using the automated strategies in the last couple of weeks? still with ninja? not happy with the code? problem with executions in options? care to to explain?

thanks
 
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