Taking 320K to 3.5million by Year End 2009

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Hey Neke,

Contrary to what you and most people on here believe I think you should continue your discretionary trading. At the beginning of last year you were thinking about fully automating your trading, but that went by the wayside as your discretionary trades started doing better.

At another point in time you were considering cutting out options from your trading because they had been consistently losing you money. Shortly after that they were the only type of trade making you money.

I think you have a lot of different strategies and trading methods: your ability to switch toward the successful strategy of the moment has resulted in a lot of gains for you. Automated trading though, has never been a big part of your strategy. I do think you have used your efforts to automate to help inform your discretionary trading but it has not been one of your main investment vehicles. I believe the reason for this is how aggressive your investment strategy has been. In my opinion that aggressiveness is the reason you have been so successful and why you see a lot of jealous posts on here.

I think the question of whether to continue is the same as it has always been. Do you have an edge? If you believe so then continue discretionary trading. You can expect an outlier event over a long period of time and at your risk level I'm not even sure if this qualifies. Possibly the reason you are considering significantly reducing your risk level is outside factors are affecting your investment decisions. In the beginning you started out with nothing to lose. Nothing has really changed, you've already made money even if you lose your current account. Of course there is a lot more money at stake now. The question is, are you willing to risk it all as you were in previous years? If not then you have to completely reevaluate your investment goals. If it is then you have to convince yourself it is play money and focus on strategy not results.
 
If by discretionary trading you mean shorting "overextended" stocks like FSLR and CME, then yes by all means extract this way of thinking from your brain. Sometimes there is a very subtle difference between what to do vs what not to do, here you are just completely off track.
 
A trader must "learn to love his/her lossess" for what they have to teach them.

You took your account from 320K < a quarter of a millon dollars in a period of less than 5 months.

It's up to you to learn the lesson(s) hidden in your losses, stem the tide, and reverse the trend (shown by Compulsive's hilarious - though accurate, chart) and continue working towards your goals (with what is, by any measurement, an extremely well-funded trading account).

We're all rooting for your to win Neke, even the naysayers. They are just taking the opposite side of the bet in case their feelings are wrong (if nobody cared, they wouldn't post).
 
Quote from Wilt:

Stop averaging down. That shit is lame. It won't ever turn a pig into Beyonce. If you don't know what your exposure and expectation is going in, then you're no different than mom and pop who haven't the desire or brains to understand what they're doing and are just riding the wave. Good trades don't test you, they're all smiles. Stop hoping. Stop trading to trade. Wait until the easy play comes like I told you. You will be alright.

Wilt
Neke
Averaging down is another form of revenge trading.
when successful ,....and it is at times,it plants the seeds of future failure in YOUR trading.

As red ink suggests you must have a exit plan. Your w/l average
will suffer but i'll bet your p/l will start moving in the right direction

cheers
john
 
Quote from short&naked:

...and the great Neke was no more. RIP.

He's still got a quarter mil. I think he's got the capacity to turn it around. Just needs to stay away from the SPY calls until he learns that the market makers controll the futures and all prices you buy on ETF's and index investments.
 
Quote from cashmoney69:

who exactly are you and ang directing your comments too?
Who cares? :confused:

Fuck them.

It's a public board, and Neke has choosen to post his trading progress in public (for reasons known only to him) so he is going to get commentary, both good and bad, depending on how his weekly performance goes (same as with a public company and a board of directors).

Say what you have to say and be done with it.
 
Quote from NeoRio1:

Successful trading is boring trading.

With your grand style of trading you should be on your knees thanking the trading gods that you are only down 18%.

I am not saying your strategy is impossible when it comes to making money. I am saying however that almost all successful traders have tried it and almost all of them have moved on to more conservative and less emotional methods.

Risk the life of your account daily or start being responsible? I always thought that was a pretty easy choice.

That was April 17th, 2009.

40 days later and you still haven't made the easy choice.
 
Weekly Update for week 20/50 ended 05/30/2009

A nice week, up 21K (8.8%). A much welcome relief from the recent battering.

Finally got it right on CME on Wednesday, shorting at about 308 and covering at 299 before end of day. The prior day, Tues, wasted an opportunity to make money on FSLR put, as I got out just before it accelerated its decline.

The emphasis has been extreme selectivity in what I trade - made only 10 trades, including the semi-automated ones. I hope to continue this cautionary phase as I seek to rebuild.



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Opening Balance:               	    	240,682
Net gain for the week 		         20,517
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Net Balance:                   		261,199

Number of Trades	            	 10
Number of Profitable Trades    	    	 6


Since Inception of Thread   01/10/2009 - 05/30/2009

Opening Balance:                   	320,064
Net loss (Less Margin Interest)		-58,856	(Down 18.4%)
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Net Balance				261,199

Number of Trades	           	474
Number of Profitable Trades        	298

Top/Bottom Discretionary Trades for the week


TICKER	ENTRY DATE/TIME		EXIT DATE/TIME		QTY	PURCHASE AMT	SOLD AMT	GAIN/LOSS	TYPE
	
CME	2009-05-27-10-43-20	2009-05-27-15-33-03	1583	475067		488080		12965		SHORT
EXEL	2009-05-28-09-14-47	2009-05-28-12-05-09	60000	332566		341457		8806		SHORT
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HJQRP	2009-05-26-09-57-34	2009-05-26-11-55-21	5000	62500		58000		-4591		FSLR PUT

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