Not to be defending the republican establishment which is democrat light, you are full of shit.
I can only hope you reap what you deserve.
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Takers versus the Makers.
- Thread starter Tsing Tao
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I can only hope you reap what you deserve.
LOL, Romney Ryan didnt want entitlement reform?!!? Are you insane?
Obama wanted entitlement reform alright, he wanted to leave the ones we currently have on the books as is, while he created a brand new one.
Oh, and those tax policies under bush are apparently so bad that Obama chose to go with them for 4 years, and his own economic team endorses them, and they have already said that eliminating all of the bush tax cuts will cause a severe contraction in the economy.
Obama wanted entitlement reform alright, he wanted to leave the ones we currently have on the books as is, while he created a brand new one.
Oh, and those tax policies under bush are apparently so bad that Obama chose to go with them for 4 years, and his own economic team endorses them, and they have already said that eliminating all of the bush tax cuts will cause a severe contraction in the economy.
Quote from L-Kabong:
One could better argue that your vote was a vote to return to the failed policies of the Bush years. After all, Romney wanted to double down on tax cuts, spoke nothing of entitlement reform, and sought to grow the defense budget even further AND double down on military intervention in the Middle east and Afghanistan.
Only in his last debate did he read the cue card and state we can't kill our way out of everything.
I love that line about going back to the failed economic policies of the Bush years.
The thing that put us into the financial crisis was the real estate bubble, which was largely sponsored by democrat slush funds FNM and FRE. Both enjoyed congressional immunity because of democrat hacks like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. Frank's gay boyfriend was an executive at FNM. No conflict there.
The real estate bubble was overseen by Fed Chairman Bernanke, who was reappointed by Obama. Treasury Sec. Geithner was head of the NY Fed, a key bank regulator. So Obama appointed the two guys who had the best opportunity to prevent the financial crisis. And now they're lecturing us.
The real economic problem was the cost of two wars, both voted for by a majority of democrats.
The democrats main objection to Bush was he didn't spend enough. Even his tax cuts got bipartisan support.
So these claims about "failed policies" are laughable. Of course, the media laps it up uncritically.
The thing that put us into the financial crisis was the real estate bubble, which was largely sponsored by democrat slush funds FNM and FRE. Both enjoyed congressional immunity because of democrat hacks like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. Frank's gay boyfriend was an executive at FNM. No conflict there.
The real estate bubble was overseen by Fed Chairman Bernanke, who was reappointed by Obama. Treasury Sec. Geithner was head of the NY Fed, a key bank regulator. So Obama appointed the two guys who had the best opportunity to prevent the financial crisis. And now they're lecturing us.
The real economic problem was the cost of two wars, both voted for by a majority of democrats.
The democrats main objection to Bush was he didn't spend enough. Even his tax cuts got bipartisan support.
So these claims about "failed policies" are laughable. Of course, the media laps it up uncritically.
Quote from Tsing Tao:
Wow, I feel like I'm reading a Chris Matthews rant! You say Romney wanted to double down on tax cuts...I guess you're unaware that he was intent on closing loopholes and limiting deductions from the richest brackets, thereby raising their taxes in the progress. As for entitlements, he did speak of reform, though admittedly did not provide real specifics. Obama didn't even try to go down that route. As for the defense budget, he didn't want to cut it. But he was adamantly against big government. A vote for Obama was a vote for more of the same. You can justify it any way you want.
As for the republicans, especially during the Bush years, they haven't been the stewards of fiscal sustainability at all - well, most of them. I am a Ron Paul man, but I had hoped Romney would have followed with a more comprehensive plan to solving the debt. Obama wasn't even pretending he was going to.
But your words are wind here. They mean nothing in the scope of this thread. Say all the nice things about reducing entitlements, and vote against everything you say.
You are not my imagined political enemy, sir. You are the political enemy. You and all who cast a vote for more of the same. What's worse in your case, however, is you pretend to be otherwise. And applauding yourself to be in the majority with the rest of the sheep isn't quite the accolade you think it is.
One thing that concerns me, and we've seen it spoken in the media, that trying to divide the Country for the purpose of ideology, is counter productive. We, they, you, me, are not, or should not be enemies. We can disagree on policies, but when we let the political elite, the money changers, and the rest, divide us into opposing teams, then nobody wins IMO.
I analyzed the entire U.S balance sheet, no easy task. We do owe too damn much, but we are still way solvent overall. For example, if your credit card debt was $17,000, but you owned your own home worth $200k, and land worth $100k, you have net capital overall. You still should NOT owe that debt, AND should CUT SPending overall, buy you are not under water. Check the Gov balance sheets. Just a different perspective, hopefully devoid of partisan nonsense.
Note: more than willing to discuss or debate, but please don't stoop the level of some on here. We're all on the same team as Americans IMO.
Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:
Honestly I don't consider you on MY team and furthermore there certainly are posters on here who most explicitly want to harm America.
Well I have to agree, I am on a different Team when it comes sex and all that, who cares about that, but I honestly thought we are both American, born and bred. Do you hate those who disagree in discussions? No ignore from me.
I supported what you said to AAA, so we must agree on some things. Probably more than you want to admit to, and that's fine PT.
Quote from mrbill:
Well I have to agree, I am on a different Team when it comes sex and all that, who cares about that, but I honestly thought we are both American, born and bred. Do you hate those who disagree in discussions? No ignore from me.
I supported what you said to AAA, so we must agree on some things. Probably more than you want to admit to, and that's fine PT.
1)I'm always on the right team, if I have to be on a team.
2) I don't give a rat's ass about sentiment.
So I hold the same contempt for a well meaning idiot's harmful ideas as I do someone purposefully proposing a harmful idea.
I draw NO distinction between the two.
Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:
1)I'm always on the right team, if I have to be on a team.
2) I don't give a rat's ass about sentiment.
So I hold the same contempt for a well meaning idiot's harmful ideas as I do someone purposefully proposing a harmful idea.
I draw NO distinction between the two.
OK, using a phrase like 'I'm always on the right team' sounds a bit narcissistic IMO. But, if that gets you through the day, then I am ok with it.
Using something as subjective as Harmful ideas, is pretty much coming from a myopic point of view. I don't think anyone is right all the time, even me. My successes have come from some big failures, glad it worked out in the long run, but many failures nonetheless.
I'm open to listening to ideas, some good, some bad, and overall it's worked out really well in my life. Some of my biggest successes have come from having to completely change my plans. Thank God most were a couple of decades ago.
It's too bad that you don't have any sentiment. I find that somewhat telling. Is there not anything in your history that you look back upon and sincerely miss? Mother? Father? Friends? Is there something that has caused you to become the person you are today that you would like to change if you could? Not patronizing, just asking PT.