Takers versus the Makers.

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from RCG Trader:

The grasshopper and the ant are two extremes, which is common for the conservative mind.

How about somewhere in the middle. There will be challenges to be sure, but short of an extinction level event, we will be just fine.

Honestly, I think you're fixated on the conservative mind. How you could link my reference of the grasshopper and ant to being political is something only you could accomplish.

It's becoming pointless to discuss anything at all with you, because you just return to the same line of painting people with labels. If you prefer your entire time on these forums to be spent going back and forth with your many detractors, be my guest.

Let me know when you want to have honest discussion without the same old conservative and GOP shit.

 

[RCG Trader]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

Honestly, I think you're fixated on the conservative mind. How you could link my reference of the grasshopper and ant to being political is something only you could accomplish.

It's becoming pointless to discuss anything at all with you, because you just return to the same line of painting people with labels.

I was you who brought this analogy to bear with regards to the topic.

Ant and grasshopper are polar opposites, no?

If you did not feel it was relevant to the discussion, why did you bring it up?

 

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from RCG Trader:

I was you who brought this analogy to bear with regards to the topic.

Ant and grasshopper are polar opposites, no?

If you did not feel it was relevant to the discussion, why did you bring it up?

The discussion is completely relevant. But you make it political, pretending like you're some psychologist saying "extremes are typical of the conservative mind". Got news for you, champ, you're not well versed in psychology just because you're in the medical profession.

The ant prepared for the coming winter (not a world ending event you seem to be returning to constantly). The grasshopper said everything would be fine and not to worry.

The comparison is completely relevant. The political reference isn't, and is just meant to put someone on the defensive.

 

[L-Kabong]

Quote from L-Kabong:

You guys are attacking only 20% of the problem that looms so large, and quietly but conspicuously ignoring the 800 lb gorilla, which is Medicare in the future.

I agree, limit welfare, limit and constrict public aid payments. Give the bums a year -maybe two- on the dole to get on their feet and pay their bills. Then cut the cord. Perhaps that will convince the next generation to not pop out babies they can't pay for.

But even doing that you will just scratch the surface.

You think that because you are paying your taxes now that you are entitled to the social safety net when you retire, or in the event you become disabled. We're 16 trillion in debt now, and our generation is is projected to cost 50 trillion in Medicare costs that are unfunded and will be 95% unfunded in the future. But I have heard none of you, not a peep from the right wing nor the left wing, address this reality

If we were get back ONLY what we have paid into Medicare after 45 years of working, and go on medicare at 65 or 68, we'll probably get an annual prostate exam, a check up, and two aspirin.

You are attacking the flank of the issue without getting at the heart. Even if you were to build a gigantic trebuchet and fling the 80 million "takers" into the ocean, you will still be faced with what to do with the "makers". And Tsing Tao, if you really don't want to burden your children with the impossibility of
a population bulging with old people, and compressing with the working people on which the old folks will be dependent , then you will start talking about entitlement reform.


Who is with me?

Okay, Let's truncate the radical end statement. Now tell me what you think.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Quote from L-Kabong:

"They, and we all know who they are, would burn down every city in this country."

That's a cop out.

How can you explain supporting Obama and leftist policies which are basicly give, give and give some more, and then post what are very libertarian ideas?
You show me one, just one left leaning politician that goes out and tells people that the path to prosperity is cutting people off public aid after a year or two. Show me the leftist who supports one single thing you posted.
Go out and tell the minority community what your bright ideas are that you posted and let me know how that works out for ya'? Tell'em to be responsible and quit "spitting out babies". We can start in Englewood, IL. Make sure to wear a vest, and I ain't talking button down.

 

[L-Kabong]

Quote from CaptainObvious:

How can you explain supporting Obama and leftist policies which are basicly give, give and give some more, and then post what are very libertarian ideas?
You show me one, just one left leaning politician that goes out and tells people that the path to prosperity is cutting people off public aid after a year or two. Show me the leftist who supports one single thing you posted.
Go out and tell the minority community what your bright ideas are that you posted and let me know how that works out for ya'? Tell'em to be responsible and quit "spitting out babies". We can start in Englewood, IL. Make sure to wear a vest, and I ain't talking button down.

Okay, let's not get sidetracked. Let's drop the incendiary language. My post was mainly about Medicare and Medicaid.

In fact, most welfare payments on that chart on page one here are comprised of Medicaid.

What about the main part of my comment, Medicare?

 

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from L-Kabong:

Okay, let's not get sidetracked. Let's drop the incendiary language. My post was mainly about Medicare and Medicaid.

In fact, most welfare payments on that chart on page one here are comprised of Medicaid.

What about the main part of my comment, Medicare?

So you want us to address your comments, but you want to ignore ours, including the OP which was the discussion regarding the thread. Am I following that correctly?

 

[CaptainObvious]

Quote from L-Kabong:

Okay, let's not get sidetracked. Let's drop the incendiary language. My post was mainly about Medicare and Medicaid.

In fact, most welfare payments on that chart on page one here are comprised of Medicaid.

What about the main part of my comment, Medicare?

Sidetracked how? You said abolish medicare and medicaid completely after refunding all the money already taken. I said there is no money to refund because congress already stole it all. You said people will start taking care of themsleves after these programs abolished. I'm saying go try and sell that to the people and see how that works out. Show me one left leaning politician with the stones to try and sell that.
You're looking for some quick fix to this? Ain't gonna' happen. The problem is a criminally corrupt congress and all the f'n money is gone. Long gone and all used up. Now they want more to cover their sorry asses and lot's of people are saying, rightfully so, FU. Cut spending first and then maybe we'll talk about more money. Congress doesn't work that way, so we're pretty much screwed.

 

[RCG Trader]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

The discussion is completely relevant. But you make it political, pretending like you're some psychologist saying "extremes are typical of the conservative mind". Got news for you, champ, you're not well versed in psychology just because you're in the medical profession.

The ant prepared for the coming winter (not a world ending event you seem to be returning to constantly). The grasshopper said everything would be fine and not to worry.

The comparison is completely relevant. The political reference isn't, and is just meant to put someone on the defensive.

You believe liberalism will bring destruction, hence the ant. I do not, but I am not a grasshopper. That is an extreme, and rationalization will not help you here.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from RCG Trader:

You believe liberalism will bring destruction, hence the ant. I do not, but I am not a grasshopper. That is an extreme, and rationalization will not help you here.

Thank you for trying to tell me what I meant. No, YOU were the grasshopper and I was the ant. Nothing political there at all. Ignoring that won't help YOU at all.