Takers versus the Makers.

Great original post. Many will elect to go to Galt's Gulch voluntarily rather than to pay into this system.

I heard something last night that made a chill run through my body. Instead of talking about income tax and income disparity the regime is starting to discuss a "wealth tax" and the "wealth disparity" where the government will tax the assets of the wealthy whether they have income or not. I think that means that they will literally take a portion of assets of those who have savings, real estate, trust funds etc.

It is as though the US has become a communist country while the traditionally communist countries of the world have discovered capitalism, free markets and private property ownership.
 
The federal government now considers a family of four in New York City to be poor if its pre-tax income is below $37,900.Even with full medical coverage.

The calculation helps explain why newly revised Census Bureau figures hike the number of poor Americans to 49 million as of last year, further widening an already yawning gap between ordinary perceptions of poverty and how the government sees it.

This breathtaking number begs the question: What does it mean to be “poor” in the United States?

To the average American, the word “poverty” means significant material hardship and need. It means lack of a warm, dry home, recurring hunger and malnutrition, no medical care, worn-out clothes for the children. The mainstream media reinforce this view: The typical TV news story on poverty features a homeless family with kids living in the back of a van.



But poverty as the federal government defines it differs greatly from these images. Only 2 percent of the official poor are homeless. According to the government’s own data, the typical poor family lives in a house or apartment that’s not only in good repair but is larger than the homes of the average non-poor person in England, France or Germany.

The typical “poor” American experiences no material hardships, receives medical care whenever needed, has an ample diet and wasn’t hungry for even a single day the previous year. According to the US Department of Agriculture, the nutritional quality of the diets of poor children is identical to that of upper middle class kids.

In America, about 80 percent of poor families have air conditioning, nearly two-thirds have cable or satellite TV, half have a computer and a third have a wide-screen LCD or plasma TV.

All these government statistics were based on the Census Bureau’s old definition of poverty. The new definition, released last week, stretches that gap between common-sense and government perspectives even further.

Previously, a family of four was considered poor if cash income was less than $22,800. The new definition sharply jerks up this threshold, especially in large cities.

Now, a family of four with full medical insurance, living in Oakland, can be considered “poor” if its yearly pre-tax income is below $42,500. In Washington, DC, the figure is $40,300; in Boston, $39,500; in New York, $37,900.

Remarkably, for the first time these new poverty thresholds are linked to an “escalator” that will boost them faster than inflation year after year. The income thresholds will rise automatically in direct proportion to any rise in the actual living standards of the average American.

While the old poverty measure counted absolute purchasing power (how much steak and potatoes you can buy), the new measure counts comparative purchasing power (how much steak and potatoes you can buy relative to other people.)

This means it will be difficult to reduce poverty in America no matter how much the living conditions of the poor actually improve. Imagine a sprinter in a race where the finish line is moved back four feet every time the runner takes a step.

Look at it this way: If the real income of every single American were to double overnight, the new measure would show no drop in poverty because the poverty-income thresholds also would double. Under this new definition, we can reduce poverty only if the incomes of the “poor” rise much faster than those of everyone else.

The goal of fighting poverty is no longer about meeting physical needs; instead it has been covertly shifted to equalizing incomes, or “spreading the wealth.”

Divorced from actual living conditions, the new government report on “poverty” is merely an advertising tool for expanding the welfare state.

Robert Rector, a leading authority on poverty and welfare, is senior research fellow in domestic policy at The Heritage Foundation.
 
Quote from TGregg:

Great post, nutmeg. The "poor" here in the US are better off than the richest of the rich just 200 years ago.
Now that you've admitted this, can you stop your bitching about "taxes are too high"?
 
Quote from RCG Trader:

Quit flaming, troll.
I'm not and you repeating it doesn't make it so
Your premises are false.
My "premise" is that you challenged me, agreed to do the Combine then backed out. That's not false moRON it's all documented fact
TST does not have a forex section, CME fx futures is not fx, it is futures, you dumb redneck.
They trade tick for tick. If you can trade FX, as you say, you should be able to trade FX futures.
I know that because unlike you, I've traded both.

And you're GD right I'll have the last word. You're a chicken shit lying coward.
And I'm going to be reminding you for a LONG time.
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

Great, now that it's out of the way, what else have you got? I'm assuming (dangerous, I know) that you support Krugman's statement.

My entire post here was in response to the Krugman quote you made where he said the takers issue is all about health care.

So do you support Krugman's argument or not?
My own view is, look to productivity.
 
Quote from Lucrum:

I'm not and you repeating it doesn't make it soMy "premise" is that you challenged me, agreed to do the Combine then backed out. That's not false moRON it's all documented factThey trade tick for tick. If you can trade FX, as you say, you should be able to trade FX futures.
I know that because unlike you, I've traded both.

And you're GD right I'll have the last word. You're a chicken shit lying coward.
And I'm going to be reminding you for a LONG time.


You mean you will trolling for long time? That has never stopped you before, and there is an enormous difference with regards to risk control between a futures contract and spot you dumb redneck.

Now take you low class profanity laced trolling elsewhere, I will not be feeding you anymore.
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

I don't need to do anything. Alea iacta est. It's done. You know how you always talk about landing the plane? The only thing to discuss now is at what velocity the plane hits the ground, and how much of the cargo is recognizable.

I understand your position, Tsing. You will be an old man before any of this current doomsday stuff ever begin to manifest. But if living and thinking that way makes you feel better, fine with me.:)
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

You can't keep bringing up the "someone calls in a loan" argument after it has been argued against you in 10 different threads, with you voluntarily ejecting yourself from the discussion (for whatever reason) on it.

It's bullshit, man. No "loan has to be called in" for us to default.

Wait and see.

Sound familiar?:)
 
Quote from RCG Trader:

So what kind of social net would you have in place?


One that discourages people on welfare from having more chirruns.

The left loves free birth control, welfare and abortions. They should be able to tie them together for a fiscally viable social net.
 
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