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Take down confederate flag, and change street names in public places?
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Good post, I hope to look at it again tomorrow.Politicians always need a moral justification for war. Abolitionism was Lincolns. Think about it. Slavery was the norm, perfectly accepted and practiced throughout the entire world up until the Industrial Revolution. Once humans invented machines to do the work of other humans, suddenly people got moral about slave ownership and racism? Don't kid yourself.
Had the combustion engine not been invented, we'd still have a race of slaves in the world today. That's the human heart.
And for what it's worth, more indentured white slaves existed in America then black slaves. European whites sold themselves into slavery to escape grinding poverty and famine in Europe.
Like what noble goals were Southerners under the confederate flag fighting for? Could you please remind us?
Comparing the confederate flag to the german swastika is quite a stretch, dont you think? I mean there were lots of things southerners were fighting for at the time, other than slavery, that are somewhat noble goals.
Nazi germany was committing genocide, and attempting to take over control of the entire world, seems like a pretty far stretch to say the two are comparable.
By your standard of comparing the confederate flag to the german swastika, couldnt the brits compare the U.S. flag to the swastika as well?
Why don't you and nine ender get together and come up with some censorship laws? We'd really hate to offend either of you. We understand that all that crap about tolerance and diversity only really applies to things you agree with anyway.
Or you could stop trying to impose your views on everyone else. You might appreciate that the Confederate flag is an important cultural symbol to many Southerners.
What a horror it must be for all your white neighbors to see your black skin in their traditionally Caucasian hometown. You are probably scaring the local kids to death.
I solved the race problem in the U.S.! I moved to a White area, twice in fact. The first was a very wealthy one, the second more White than the former but less wealthy. It just gets better, that's all I can say. I don't worry about getting carjacked, I don't worry about gangster shit, people hold doors for each other, say please and thank you, have lawns that they keep mowed, they have farms and make lots of money off crops and beef, I can walk around with a rifle or pistol and nobody thinks twice about it... I've seen one gangbanger in six months! Some guy with red tennis shoes was stroking his way down the road through the little town... I did a double take, I'd forgotten about that modern day horror of the ghetto...
Perfectly put. Bravo.
Why stop at the North vs South then? We should round every American and hang him for the crimes committed on the American Indian. What about the Spanish against essentially the entire world during the Dark Ages? What about the revolving door of atrocities for FIVE THOUSAND YEARS in Israel? What about the Japanese and the Chinese? What about Germany against Europe ending in two world wars? The list is literally endless with one people imposing their will on another. The losers, LOST.
What it comes down to is this. Wars used to be fought all the time, and one side won and the other lost. The loser either died, or was forced to submission, culturally later assimilated into the winners culture. Of course, this usually happens both ways and it is not clear that the one that won the war is the one that won the cultural war, e.g., Romans vs Christians. But that is a detail. That is the entire history of the world pre WWII. Now with nuclear weapons, you can't run over people anymore.
Get used to it. Every culture in existence has the same beef with their conquerors. It was musical chairs as to who conquered whom until recently. The south got their ass kicked, rightly or wrongly doesn't matter. You live in the US. If you don't like it, or I don't like it, move. Or start another war and see how far you get. Go to France and see how people feel about Nepolean, EVEN TODAY.
Either way, take down that flag that stands for a period in the US history that is nothing to be proud of. You don't live in the Confederate States, you live in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
It sounds quite like the opposite: There are a few individuals out there who just cannot fit in. Whatever you give them they always feel their freedom is infringed on. Now they well feel their Southern Pride is violated but they all happily drive cars made in Detroit. And eat food from all over the places, even , the Middle East mind you. They keep on accusing people on the left while in reality everyone to them stands on the left. Whatever happens they look for ways to feel infringed and attacked. That is the conservative South today.
Well that didn't take long now did it? Less than a week ago we were talking about one flag in one spot. Today multiple businesses have taken the flag out of their stores. Twelve other southern states have some reference to the confederate flag in their state flag. All 12 are under assault to change their flags. Monuments and statues are now offensive. Street names must be changed too.
It won't be long before we get to words. The is where they left eventually goes with everything because that is how you control behavior. Everyone walks around on egg shells and ultimately all speech just gets shutdown. Perfect in the mind of the leftist. Like I've written here a hundred times, the left has no interest in a conversation about race or anything else. The left gives lectures. You listen, nod your head in agreement and then think and do as you're told. This is the leftist utopia.
Millions of useful idiots on the left are jumping for joy. Of course they believe that they will be among the chosen few, immune from the tyrannical scrutiny. The Russian gulags were full of those who had similar ideas under Stalin. it's all good until they come for you, and make no mistake, they always come for you at some point
I think you don't get the point: you can show anything you want on your own private personal roof top. But you can't show a confederate flag on a state building anymore because for many the flag stands for a past during which forefathers were enslaved. And for others it stands for a glorious past (whatever they are referring to). But fact remains we are talking about public building that are paid for by tax dollars by everyone (yes black people also pay taxes)
Watch this and then tell me what side of the argument you're on. If we are free to burn our American flag in protest, then perhaps those opposed to the Confederate flag should just burn it. You can protest, you can argue, you can burn it of you like. What you shouldn't be able to do is tell someone they can't show it just because it offends you, regardless of what you think it represents. Like the man says in the video, "America is advanced citizenship" and most of America just ain't ready for it. Sadly, neither are our leaders.
I tell you what business they have: the United States formed a union because some in the civil war got their asses kicked and lost. Simple as that. Today, a lot of federal subsidies keep a number of Southern States on life support. What the United States democratically decides is something states need to bow to even if this does not want to go into your thick and prideful Southern head.
By the way you don't need to grab any ancle and do anything. You can in fact keep your back yard flagged. But you will not see a confederate flag on State buildings anymore capiche?
By the way you don't need to grab any ancle and do anything. You can in fact keep your back yard flagged. But you will not see a confederate flag on State buildings anymore capiche?
I see two people preaching hate here, db and FF. They are typical of many liberals. WTF business is it of people living in NYC or Canada if a state democratically chooses to honor its ancestors and history? But because the racial grievance industry constantly needs causes to exploit, every incident where a black comes out second best suddenly is evidence that slavery is one step from being reintroduced, and we all should bend over and grab our ankles.
Like what noble goals were Southerners under the confederate flag fighting for? Could you please remind us?
The Civil War was about States Rights (the supremacy of the 10th Amendment) and economics. Up until and during the Civil War, slavery was perfectly legal. It wasn't outlawed by the Constitution, therefore each State had the authority to allow it. I'm not saying this is noble, but it's far more complex then the grade-school explanation offered by todays Charlatans on the Left who present the issue as Southern = racist, Northern = emancipator. The North had a shitload of slaves. The Civil War was much more a power grab then a moral crusade. And the South was right - the 10th Amendment did protect their right to engage in the slave trade, at the time. The North waged an unconstitutional war against the South under the banner of a legal practice.
Now I'm not saying all that is right. I'm just saying it's a lot more complicated then the pap were fed on TV. Know what I mean?
Sure I know what you mean. But all that does not change the fact that the South lost and became part of a union of states and there is an accepted centralized federal government elected in a democratic process.
And not only those who see the confederate flag as a sign of pride and noble ideals (I still fail to understand which ones those might be) pay taxes that pay for state buildings but also those who interpret it as a sign of a period of horror and abuse.
And not only those who see the confederate flag as a sign of pride and noble ideals (I still fail to understand which ones those might be) pay taxes that pay for state buildings but also those who interpret it as a sign of a period of horror and abuse.
The Civil War was about States Rights (the supremacy of the 10th Amendment) and economics. Up until and during the Civil War, slavery was perfectly legal. It wasn't outlawed by the Constitution, therefore each State had the authority to allow it. I'm not saying this is noble, but it's far more complex then the grade-school explanation offered by todays Charlatans on the Left who present the issue as Southern = racist, Northern = emancipator. The North had a shitload of slaves. The Civil War was much more a power grab then a moral crusade. And the South was right - the 10th Amendment did protect their right to engage in the slave trade, at the time. The North waged an unconstitutional war against the South under the banner of a legal practice.
Now I'm not saying all that is right. I'm just saying it's a lot more complicated then the pap were fed on TV. Know what I mean?