TA - Objective or Psychological Skill?

Quote from dom993:

News clearly aren't TA, for the rest you have listed things which are market-generated data - hence fall into the TA scope.

Ok, I am tired arguing. I see no point anymore. Read your own definition of technical analysis a few posts ago. Your refusal to see the difference renders my further explanations useless. Good luck, let TA be with you!

Cheers,

MAESTRO

(done arguing)
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

There are so many inputs driving price that markets are random to our perception, if they were not, they couldn't exist. Repeating patterns do exist, but never exist for long, as they get exploited out of existence. This is common sense to me--- I don't understand why the TA folks don't see it. Even my Price Drivers can only say it appears that the market will be pushed this way or pulled that way-- they are far from 100% accurate

surf

so what would be an example of edge then, lets take out the obvious first in que and Jim Rogers sized account. If you were trying to help a retail trader based on your experience how would you tell them to trade? Let's say this person has no clue about markets and is ready to rule the world with a 10K account?
 
Quote from kinggyppo:

so what would be an example of edge then, lets take out the obvious first in que and Jim Rogers sized account. If you were trying to help a retail trader based on your experience how would you tell them to trade? Let's say this person has no clue about markets and is ready to rule the world with a 10K account?

I am guessing you mean daytrading-- I would join a prop firm to learn what edges are actually working now for stocks IE-- dark pool access, different routing edges, ideas like Bright's opening orders, etc. If it was futures, I would reccomend the combine untill you can learn how to read the DOM and/or interpret intraday news events to pass, then trade with the firms money.

surf
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

Repeating patterns do exist, but never exist for long, as they get exploited out of existence. This is common sense to me--- I don't understand why the TA folks don't see it.

- Same logic applies to any trading methodology.

- Beware of common-sense, it usually doesn't apply to trading.

- I have found 24 patterns that "consistently" repeat in CL from 2007 to 2012, forward-testing + live-trading of these in 2013 shows they are still "working".
 
Quote from kinggyppo:

gld will close green today currently down 1.04. This is a prediction and the problem with most of these types of calls/statements is that they don't really mean anything. Further, if someone has a trading contest and the market is random, doesn't that mean that trader x is a better random pick em trader than y? That is why I don't understand Surf, if markets are random are not all entries random? It makes no difference and really is the monkey throwing darts issue, carry on.:)

Nice, brother.

I am selling gold vol OTC. GVZ is marked to 31.52. I think it will touch 27 by mid July. The Jul/Aug switch is a once in a year buy here, but it doesn't trade.
 
Quote from atticus:

Nice, brother.

I am selling gold vol OTC. GVZ is marked to 31.52. I think it will touch 27 by mid July. The Jul/Aug switch is a once in a year buy here, but it doesn't trade.

thanks hope you are well!:)
 
Quote from Ol' Yella:

Just curious-- the above statements seem contradictory. The first makes it seem the students are not successful, and the second seems to indicate the opposite.

could you clarify? thanks!

Yes, despite understanding my price action trading strategies, none of these people trade my strategy "note-for-note". Some trade a single setup I've taught them, some are adapting (or have adapted) the concepts to their own trading style (one guy automated a key setup and has been running it for at least a couple years now).

Several just keep watching the tactics work, but have difficulties with the trader's mindset necessary to executing any plan. Having been there, having had two opportunities to mirror trades called in advance with stops and targets, having had time to watch these tactics work profitably over a series of trades, I was unable to bring myself to trust someone else's methods. Once I re-invented their wheels and made a plan that was my own, it still took me quite a while to trust it.

FWIW, one of the thoughts I had about these successful technical price action trading methods at that time in my development were:

"That all sounds good in theory, but I doubt it really works."
 
Quote from dom993:

NoDoji,

I would be interested in making an attempt at automating one of your setups ... PM me if you want to discuss further.

Cheers
D.

You seem to have a nice automated system going :)

I'm an intraday scalper and my favorite setup is continuation in a strong trend or strong trending move. For CL, I use a 1-min chart to enter in the direction of the trend on 1-min pullbacks. The best resource for the specific 1-min patterns I use for this setup is Volman's Forex Price Action Scalping, the FB and SB setups being the main ones.
 
Quote from atticus:

Nice, brother.

I am selling gold vol OTC. GVZ is marked to 31.52. I think it will touch 27 by mid July. The Jul/Aug switch is a once in a year buy here, but it doesn't trade.

gvz is a mini size contract..i traded it many times..but its waste of time until more liquidity can come in. being a mini imo is what prevents true players...but u can trade it; and yes..there is huge edge in that curve.
 

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Quote from sellindexvol66:

gvz is a mini size contract..i traded it many times..but its waste of time until more liquidity can come in. being a mini imo is what prevents true players...but u can trade it; and yes..there is huge edge in that curve.

I had a 10 lot showing at -3.25 and one filled. Of course, now it's the offer.
 
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