T-bonds at 0% why not just keep the money?

Quote from Martinghoul:

T-notes ARE bonds (as opposed to bills) and yes, bonds, including t-notes, can easily trade above par (as Mav74 mentioned). And no, if you buy a bond above par, that doesn't necessarily mean that you will suffer a loss at redemption.

you're right; got confused between notes and bills. We were talking about t-bills here.


4-Week Treasury Bill Auction Results and Additional Auction Statistics

Term: 4-Week
High Rate: 0.000%
Investment Rate*: 0.000%
Price: $100.000000
 
Quote from Archin:

Does this mean they expect all other equities to fall in value. Why lend money with no return, is their some advantage over holding it?

Start a bank and find out, it pays off immensely
Please don't start a bank without me :D
 
Quote from kcgoogler:
you're right; got confused between notes and bills. We were talking about t-bills here.


4-Week Treasury Bill Auction Results and Additional Auction Statistics

Term: 4-Week
High Rate: 0.000%
Investment Rate*: 0.000%
Price: $100.000000
Yep, so bills trading above par would mean negative yields, which is a reasonably rare occurrence. For an explanation of why this can (and does) happen occasionally see my earlier post.
 
Quote from kcgoogler:

you're right; got confused between notes and bills. We were talking about t-bills here.


4-Week Treasury Bill Auction Results and Additional Auction Statistics

Term: 4-Week
High Rate: 0.000%
Investment Rate*: 0.000%
Price: $100.000000

They buy the t-bills for the safety of their capital. They can borrow against those bills and trade something else. The bills are in their name, they can't be stolen. Think MF Global.
 
Quote from Maverick74:

They buy the t-bills for the safety of their capital. They can borrow against those bills and trade something else. The bills are in their name, they can't be stolen. Think MF Global.

ah. makes sense.

Thanks!
-gariki
 
I had a dream when drugs were legalized soon after grocery bills came to $100,000 per trip. Waking the Pandora's Box is never good if you don't know how to close it.

The risk of default is very present in any US Treasury right now, and, according to the National Inflation Association, every US Federal Security should be rated junk, but they will never default.

If they have the audacity to print $16 trillion and fork it over to abject failures, then they certainly have enough audacity to print money just to pay their own bills.

It is still not rational to pay for 0% coupons, even though the argument is it's in their name it is not at all risk free, but seems to be preferable than the limited protection the FDIC or SIPC can offer individual connections.

They also do this for no other rational reason than the government is manipulating the interest rates so that they can print money without cost or the repercussions of compounded interest.
 
Mo free money

Term: 4-Week
High Rate: 0.000%
Investment Rate*: 0.000%
Price: $100.000000
Allotted at High: 88.99%
Total Tendered: $158,676,295,900
Total Accepted: $35,939,178,400
Issue Date: 01/12/2012
Maturity Date: 02/09/2012
CUSIP: 9127953C3
 
Quote from kcgoogler:

oops. i meant t-bills; not t-notes.

But i get what you are saying about t-bonds and t-notes above. But t-bills given that they are so close to redemption (4 weeks in this case), if someone is buying them at a premium, they get only face value in 4 weeks. Hence they will loose; right?

ps: i am just learning about treasuries for my series-7; so please do be verbose if you disagree with what i say.

t bills have no interest and are sold at discount to par.
 
Quote from kcgoogler:

This is pure zilch. Tbills trading at zero discount; no reason for anyone to buy them but people apparently still bought them. Really? why would they do that?

-gariki

It's the other way around... They went to zero because the "Total Tendered" was so much more than the "Total Accepted"... You have lots of liquidity chasing these bills...
 
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