Sweden's chief epidemiologist back-pedals on decision to not shutdown
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I am a realist about the issue. All of history as well as information from experts indicate the best strategy to address a novel deadly disease is a 60 day lock-down followed by a staged re-opening.
I am not a proponent of locking down based on "fear" I am a proponent of locking down because it is the best strategy. The intent is to drive the number of infectious cases of a disease in region so low that there are a limited number of infected people available to spread the disease when you open up. This effective quiescence of the disease ensures it does not flare up quickly -- but at a rate where you can track, isolate and eliminate the infections in a practical manner throughout your community. This is possible because there are a small number of infectious people with the disease when you re-open -- when compared to the large number of infectious disease carriers without a lock-down.
you statements contradict what you are saying.
you are not a realist on this subject - you are a bullshitter.
All of history does not support locking people out of work. I am not sure that has every happened in our history. I did a search and found nothing on that subject. At times public spaces were limited or closed.... restaurants may have been limited, a bit, but lockdowns from work...you are going to have to provide the links or you claim is bullshit.
There is no science saying a 60 day shutdown is best for low risk groups.... you are just making that up.
you are not a realist on this subject - you are a bullshitter.
All of history does not support locking people out of work. I am not sure that has every happened in our history. I did a search and found nothing on that subject. At times public spaces were limited or closed.... restaurants may have been limited, a bit, but lockdowns from work...you are going to have to provide the links or you claim is bullshit.
There is no science saying a 60 day shutdown is best for low risk groups.... you are just making that up.
In Virtually every community It is spreading Good. Let it spread. Sick And old people stay home. Young and healthy go to work. Fucking hell stop acting like this is the goddamn bubonic plague. It’s not. Not even close.
I think Jem is trying to say that the mother he can't be bothered to take care of is in a demonstrably better nursing home than others have so he can feel superior.
I provided historical links about the 1918 flu and for the 1940s/1950s polio epidemic in the U.S. the links include information of the quarantines/lockdowns by city/town/region plus information on the economic impact of various policies. Any rational person can feel free to go back and review the information I provided - obviously it provides information of people out of work during lockdowns in the past. Feel free to go back and review the information --- it is posted for posterity so others certainly can.
Speaking of Sweden, Odin has been spotted on public transport, Ragnarök is here.
When I'm a multimillionaire elder I'm doing this, no home for me.
When I'm a multimillionaire elder I'm doing this, no home for me.
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And I examined the links you gave me... they were anecdotal and weak and only applied to small regions.
Your have provided nothing in the historical records to match the almost nationwide job shutdown.
Your have provided nothing in the historical records to match the almost nationwide job shutdown.
As noted in the all the sources - during the 1918 flu and 1940/1950 polio epidemic - it was not an era of global travel in fast planes and autos that spreads a disease globally much more quickly. Due to this lockdowns were invariably local by city/town/region in the U.S. when the disease was present in the community-- they also included restrictions that people could not leave or enter the city/town/region under quarantine by road or rail-- only goods were let in & out.
As a side point - Are roads, railroads, and planes restricted today? Are you not allowed to travel in or out of places with COVID in the U.S. Well back in the 1918 and 1940s/1950s they were. You weren't leaving your infected town to go somewhere else.
The records I provided are not anecdotal -- it listed restrictions by city with start/stop dates for measures when doing comparisons and then provided information on the results for the 1918 flu.
For the 1918 flu (as noted in the records) there were times were over 70% of the U.S. was under some type of lockdown or quarantine at the same time. There was no federal coordination of the lockdown since the Feds were too busy trying to hide that the U.S. has a flu problem while trying not to look weak in WW1.
You have a hard case claiming that the U.S. today today has a "nationwide job shutdown". First of all there are 7 states that are not locked down. Also over 30% of workers in every state in the U.S. are considered essential and are not restricted from working.
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