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[luisHK]

Link is in French is anyone is interested, Belgium just reported under average total death count for July. Both numbers don't compensate each other yet but it will be interesting to see what the excess death will be in most countries hit hard by the covid within a year or 2, and than we should try to count how many of those death were collateral damage of utterly damaging lockdowns.
In Belgium it looks both the excess death from March to May and lower death atm concern people over 75, like the virus had them die a few months earlier that they would have otherwise

 

[henry76]

Really tremendous numbers in Sweden. They have really played this well and are either at, or nearly at, herd immunity now in my view. Other than their nursing home debacle, this is the model that the world should be following I believe. I suspect that Brazil is getting much closer now to herd immunity as well.

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Lies dam lies and statistics, your chart implies huge numbers of "active cases" , correct if "active cases means "active in the past but not necessarily active now , so therefore "active cases" that include inactive cases.

 

[Pekelo]

I like to look up the speed how the whole US (not just those 12+ states that already caught up) is catching up to Sweden's per million numbers. The difference is only 80 right now, and since the US is adding about 4 a day to its average, in about 3 weeks those 2 numbers will be the same.

That is the point when we can close this thread down for good...

 

[wrbtrader]

I like to look up the speed how the whole US (not just those 12+ states that already caught up) is catching up to Sweden's per million numbers. The difference is only 80 right now, and since the US is adding about 4 a day to its average, in about 3 weeks those 2 numbers will be the same.

That is the point when we can close this thread down for good...

The essence of the thread should be closed when a vaccine is developed, approved therapeutics by the government of Sweden for use by its citizens / residents.

That's when the probability of herd immunity will be achieved. Until that happens...its just a debate.

Regardless, people are learning that social responsibility makes the primary difference in any countries statistics...more than any lockdown, lockdown lite or no lockdown at all. That's the real edge for Sweden and a few other Scandinavian countries...they have more social responsibility.

Than again, accordingly to Trump...the USA is doing the best of all countries in its coronavirus statistics.

wrbtrader

 

[Buy1Sell2]

Lies dam lies and statistics, your chart implies huge numbers of "active cases" , correct if "active cases means "active in the past but not necessarily active now , so therefore "active cases" that include inactive cases.

Please make a coherent posting.

 

[henry76]

Please make a coherent posting.

Ditto

 

[Jakobsberg]

Some of my observations from living in Sweden
- Most of the earlier deaths were in nursing homes and often caused by the low paid health care workers bringing in the infection. Once there spreads like crazy. Such workers have very high proportion of recent immigrants who not having much education or language skills struggle to get other work. Same immigrants tend to live in more cramped multi person accommodation in Stockholm suburbs.
- Most deaths were in Stocholm with ca 1 M people. Only two other cities have population above 150,000. Low population density.
- Native Swedes tend to be more active (thinner) than folks in US
- Rather unusually health care decisions were made by health care professionals not politicians and also rather strangely they did not have laws in place anyway for quarantine curfews etc.
- schools stayed open. As did gyms and swimming pools and they were great as so quiet but getting busier now.

 

[wrbtrader]

Some of my observations from living in Sweden
- Most of the earlier deaths were in nursing homes and often caused by the low paid health care workers bringing in the infection. Once there spreads like crazy. Such workers have very high proportion of recent immigrants who not having much education or language skills struggle to get other work. Same immigrants tend to live in more cramped ultiaccommodation in Stockholm suburbs

Why do you think Sweden and other countries have taken advantage of such via letting immigrants have low paying jobs while taking care of their elderly population...important citizens ?

Here in Québec, Canada they're fixing that problem via 3x their pay, better education in taking care of the elderly and many other things because one of the problems here was that the pay was so low...

Many of them worked at different nursing homes...two to three different locations. Its was a key evaluation after an extensive investigation into why it spread so easily from nursing home to another nursing home.

wrbtrader

 

[Jakobsberg]

Why do you think Sweden and other countries have taken advantage of such via letting immigrants have low paying jobs while taking care of their elderly population...important citizens ?

Here in Québec, Canada they're fixing that problem via 3x their pay, better education in taking care of the elderly and many other things because one of the problems here was that the pay was so low...

Many of them worked at different nursing homes...two to three different locations. Its was a key evaluation after an extensive investigation into why it spread so easily from nursing home to another nursing home.

wrbtrader

As an honest none politically correct answer. Its unskilled cheap work, doesn't require much training or need much if any language skills. There were waves of immigrants from Syria, Iraq and other places into Europe in recent years. Often ends up a choice of Uber or nursing homes..... and Uber now banned here (taxi unions)

 

[Jakobsberg]

Many of them worked at different nursing homes...two to three different locations. Its was a key evaluation after an extensive investigation into why it spread so easily from nursing home to another nursing home.

Yes I would expect same in Sweden plus tend to be large nursing homes compared to neighbouring Norway and Finland. The old folks were not moving between them but workers were.