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Buy1Sell2 said:
Most folks don't realize that, without a vaccine, the same total number of people will catch the virus at the end of the day whether there was a lockdown or not. Sweden is doing this properly by building herd immunity much sooner than places with lockdowns. In the meantime, they aren't purposely destroying their economy. Sweden and places like South Dakota have it right.
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They got the advantage of only needing about 40,000 deaths and 6 million infections to reach herd immunity.
Also they are not crowded so the deaths will happen slowly over time.

Norway could have used this strategy, they have half the population of Sweden, so would only had to take about 20,000 deaths and 3million infections to reach herd.

South Dakota only has a population of 884,659. They only need to suffer 3500 deaths and 600,000 infections to reach herd.

New York was about one third of its way to reaching herd, 11,000 deaths and 1.8m infections.
 
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Yep---these governors are breaking their arms patting themselves on the back thinking they are killing the virus----Nope---no one is doing that. People being careful is simply slowing the spread and altering the date when people will get it. Lockdowns are not killing the virus----they are however killing the economy. I suspect that Georgia will experience more cases as they open up and will catch heat for it, but they will be way ahead of many other places in herd immunity and getting back to normal. New York City on the other hand may also have an upper hand on herd immunity, not due to the Unconstitutional lockdown but simply because they had quite a few cases before the spread was slowed. The current worldwide pandemic is over by the way and has been for quite some time.
 
This is basically the same opinion quoting from the reddit thread above, what B1S2 said in post #170:

"fmarton 15 points 5 days ago

Lockdowns will never prevent the inevitable. It is interesting why it is so pervasive that lockdowns will get us out of this mess. They won't. All they can do is slow the spread to possibly prevent overwhelming the health system. A lockdown that is too early and too severe is just delaying the inevitable while also drastically affecting other socioeconomic problems.

Most studies are putting the IFR at 0.3-0.6%. The exact number is still unknown. More people will die in the Netherlands. It is impossible to prevent this. It will largely be elderly but unfortunately there will be some young patients that get swept up in it. That is the reality. There is no way to prevent this. The only thing that can be prevented is excess mortality if the health system is overrun - so some degree of social distancing will still be needed.

Vaccines and other treatments may eventually help, but they are months away. At that point, keeping a lockdown going will have adverse effects greater than deaths from the virus.

Sweden's approach might not be the wrong one. It will be interesting to see what happens."
 
luisHK said:
Page not found. Was it censored/deleted as well ?
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Let me try again:

old.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/g3qgto/swedish_epidemiologist_why_lockdowns_are_the/

Copy this in the URL, it seems to be working. I got the Page not found too, I am not sure why.
 
Anyone in this thread that thinks or has stated Sweden is doing the right thread...
  • Any of you actually reside in Sweden or a legal resident ???
I don't live in Sweden nor am I a legal resident of Sweden but I do know enough about this type of science that you do not put your population at a higher risk than other surrounding populations on a theory until a vaccine is in place.

Simply, if plan A goes wrong (too many people are dying in comparison to the surrounding population)...you can still rely on plan B (vaccination) to save your butt.

Just as importantly, when other populations start to go down the curve on the other side and your curve is still going upwards...plan A did not work and you then have to admit that you killed too many people when it was not necessary in an effort to prove a point.

Seriously, what good is it to save the corner bread store if the owners are dead, not able to operate it because they're infected/ill or those bringing home the livelihood for a family are dead (bad examples but you get my point) ???

wrbtrader
 
One of the reasons that Sweden has shown more deaths so far is that their nursing home populations were ravaged early. ---Without that, their numbers look quite a bit better.
 
Sweden and everybody else will not know for another 8 months...after the 2nd wave hits. Most Pandemics have a 2nd wave...worst or better than the 1st wave.

wrbtrader
 
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