Susan Rice’s White House Unmasking: A Watergate-style Scandal

[piezoe]

The IRS targeted political opponents under his watch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

The NSA targeted reporters/political opponents under his watch:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...788030e6b44_story.html?utm_term=.3990ceeab7b5

Sheryll Atkinson:

While not provable seems pretty obvious based on precedent.



Obama admin/DOJ targeted leakers like no one in history this is according to left wing sources, its not alternative facts, its the left wing media suddenly getting amnesia due to hatred of Trump.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015...ime-of-all-prior-u-s-presidents-combined.html

Is the ACLU lying?

ACLU legislative counsel Gabe Rottman noted last October:

The Obama administration has secured 526 months of prison time for national security leakers, versus only 24 months total jail time for everyone else since the American Revolution.



Obama admin sets new record for denying FOIA requests.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/obama-administration-sets-new-record-withholding-foia-requests/



And now we know that his administration was spying on the incoming president without a centella of evidence, the guy who just so happened to opposed every single one of his ideas, on his watch.

But hey he always claimed he knew nothing about it, so i guess he is innocent.




These are only alternative facts if the only stations you've been listening to are propublica and NPR for the last 8 years.

I admit I did not follow up on all your nice links. How many of these politically motivated accusations and conspiracy theories ended with real evidence and successful prosecutions? A lot I imagine! I really like Propublica. I have sent them little money from time to time. And if I listen to news it is almost always NPR or PBS. So I guess that's why I am such an incompetent conspiracy theorist, and never up to date on the latest Ann Coulter rage. Hell, I still think it was Bin Laden's money and Saudi terrorists that brought down the twin towers. I'm pretty hopeless. I even read that commie newspaper the NYT once in a while. The really good stuff like Hillary lying about Benghazi and having all those people killed, and Barack's Nigerian Birth is just wasted on me.

Favorite Nixon quote:

"Ike could be devious when he wanted to be, and I mean that in the best sense of that word." -- Richard Nixon

It still makes me laugh my ass off whenever i think of it.

 

[Max E.]

I admit I did not follow up on all your nice links. How many of these politically motivated accusations and conspiracy theories ended with real evidence and successful prosecutions?

Who were they supposed to prosecute? Lois Lerner pled the fifth, IT is a proven fact the IRS targeted conservative groups right before the election, other than that are you denying Rosen was wiretapped when it is common knowledge? Are you denying Obama admin prosecuted more whistleblowers than any president in history, when it iss common knowledge. Are you denying Obama denied more FOIA requests than any president in history when it is common knowledge?

All of these things happened, feel free to point out where this kind of nonsense went on with any other president in history.

I am not naieve enough to believe Obama or Susan Rice is about to do the perp walk. I doubt that Obama would have been dumb enough to leave something out there that links back to him, but at the same time we all know it was going on, even the left wing media knew it was going on. There is proof it was going on. But aside from Rice admitting she spied for political purposes she is basically untouchable. This doesnt mean that the Obama admin didnt abuse its authority on a regular basis, something we already have plenty of evidence of.

So far in this whole Russia story, the only thing we have evidence of is that Obama admin was spying on the Trump admin, there is 0 evidence of Trump Russia collusion, we know there isnt any evidence cause amidst the dozens of leaks there is yet to be any kind of damning information.

The best thing Trump could do at this point is declassify the stuff Rice thought was supposedly of critical national security importance, this would let thepublic see whether or not it was a political hit job, but still Rice will never spend a day in jail because she would basically have to admit that it was all about politics,

Even if all we see is some Trump official talking to a Russian about golf, she can claim ignorance and get out of it.

Unfortunately when it comes to government, gross incompetence is not prosecutable, Hillary already proved that point.

Note the fact i never said anything about Benghazi, as that was sheer government incompetence, and unfortunately not only is lying not a crime, but it seems to be encouraged if you work for the government.

 

[Tom B]

I admit I did not follow up on all your nice links. How many of these politically motivated accusations and conspiracy theories ended with real evidence and successful prosecutions? A lot I imagine! I really like Propublica. I have sent them little money from time to time. And if I listen to news it is almost always NPR or PBS. So I guess that's why I am such an incompetent conspiracy theorist, and never up to date on the latest Ann Coulter rage. Hell, I still think it was Bin Laden's money and Saudi terrorists that brought down the twin towers. I'm pretty hopeless. I even read that commie newspaper the NYT once in a while. The really good stuff like Hillary lying about Benghazi and having all those people killed, and Barack's Nigerian Birth is just wasted on me.

The facts continue to be your enemy.

 

[Max E.]

Yeah no one spied on hillary who took hundreds of thousands in "donations" from the Russians, no one spied on Podesta who took 75k shares from a Russian oil company, almost seems like it was partisan, LOL.

Funny how no 'unmasking' was done for the Hillary campaign
By Jack Hellner
Why hasn't anyone asked James Clapper, James Comey, or Susan Rice why no calls were inadvertently picked up on Hillary Clinton or any of her campaign team? If the government had been worried about collusion, wouldn't they have listened in on both sides?

Former national security adviser Susan Rice went to that probing investigative reporter Andrea Mitchell for her only interview. Mitchell asked Rice if the leaking or unmasking was done for political reasons. Rice was offended, and she said no one from the Obama administration would dream of doing that for political reasons. Then Mitchell said, did you leak anything?, and the brilliant Rice said, I didn't leak nothing on nobody. Andrea then must have thought, I did my job, and we know Susan has never lied before.

CNN and a lot of the media aren't covering the Rice story at all, but when the Associated Press, the New York Times, and others report it, many say the Trump administration is trying to divert attention from the Trump-Russia collusion story. The media present the Trump-Russia collusion story as true even though there is absolutely nothing yet to show that. They present the claim that Trump was spied on as a false story even though we have 100% proof that Trump people were listened to and that the information was leaked to the press.

Anyone who believes that Trump wasn't specifically targeted for political reasons probably still believes that the Benghazi killings were caused by a video, that Obama had no idea the IRS was targeting political opponents, that Obama had no idea Hillary was violating the law by using a non-secure server until three years after she left, that Obama had no idea his administration was gun-running to Mexico, and that Hillary and her aides had no intent to break the law.

The media and Democrats should be absolutely ashamed that they haven't had any concern about facts for a long time. If there is any collusion, it is between the media and Democrats to destroy Trump, no matter what the facts are.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...asking_happened_for_the_hillary_campaign.html

 

[piezoe]

None of that is common knowledge to me however.

are you denying Rosen was wiretapped when it was common knowledge? Are you denying Obama admin prosecuted more whistleblowers than any president in history, when it was common knowledge. Are you denying Obama denied more FOIA requests than any president in history when it was common knowledge?

I don't know who Rosen is. The rest is not common knowledge to me however. I told you, I was hopeless when it comes to conspiracy theories.

 

[Max E.]

None of that is common knowledge to me however.


I don't know who Rosen is. The rest is not common knowledge to me however. I told you, I was hopeless when it comes to conspiracy theories.

I linked to all this before but you tried to dismiss it, and these are links from leftwing sources, who i doubt were partisanly attacking Obama, read up on it, like i said you probably didnt get the info from NPR and propublica.

These arent stories where i "feel" like something was going on, i could provide lots of those, these are stories with quantifiable numbers/facts, that PROVE it was happening.

Feel free to try to discredit the numbers in these articles, but if you just dismiss it you are being a partisan hack.



The IRS targeted political opponents under his watch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

The NSA targeted reporters/political opponents under his watch:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...788030e6b44_story.html?utm_term=.3990ceeab7b5



Obama admin/DOJ targeted leakers like no one in history this is according to left wing sources, its not alternative facts, its the left wing media suddenly getting amnesia due to hatred of Trump.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015...ime-of-all-prior-u-s-presidents-combined.html

Is the ACLU lying?

ACLU legislative counsel Gabe Rottman noted last October:

The Obama administration has secured 526 months of prison time for national security leakers, versus only 24 months total jail time for everyone else since the American Revolution.



Obama admin sets new record for denying FOIA requests.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/obama-administration-sets-new-record-withholding-foia-requests/

 

[piezoe]

I linked to all this before but you tried to dismiss it, and these are links from leftwing sources, who i doubt were partisanly attacking Obama, read up on it, like i said you probably didnt get the info from NPR and propublica.

These arent stories where i "feel" like something was going on, i could provide lots of those, these are stories with quantifiable numbers/facts, that PROVE it was happening.

Feel free to try to discredit the numbers in these articles, but if you just dismiss it you are being a partisan hack.



The IRS targeted political opponents under his watch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

The NSA targeted reporters/political opponents under his watch:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...788030e6b44_story.html?utm_term=.3990ceeab7b5



Obama admin/DOJ targeted leakers like no one in history this is according to left wing sources, its not alternative facts, its the left wing media suddenly getting amnesia due to hatred of Trump.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015...ime-of-all-prior-u-s-presidents-combined.html

Is the ACLU lying?

ACLU legislative counsel Gabe Rottman noted last October:

The Obama administration has secured 526 months of prison time for national security leakers, versus only 24 months total jail time for everyone else since the American Revolution.



Obama admin sets new record for denying FOIA requests.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/obama-administration-sets-new-record-withholding-foia-requests/

You're right! I just looked the FOIA stuff up and There was apparently a record number of documents they couldn't even find. There was like 700K plus requests and they spent millions fighting the requests. If Obama had spent more time keeping up with his filing duties they probably would have been able to find more of the documents. They're probably still stacked up on his desk somewhere, unless Trump has moved the piles by now. . I betcha Trump is going to be way better at keeping up with his filing chores.

 

[Max E.]

There was apparently a record number of documents they couldn't even find.

So documents disappearing is your excuse?

That makes it seem even shadier, why are government documents disappearing in the day and age where EVERYTHING is saved on a computer, and most likely on an independent server? Do you think that the government documents were filed via type writer?

I can find trading logs from 2005, and i dont need them, but the government cant find something that happened a couple months ago?

Reminds me of the excuse they gave when Lois Lerner's hard drive suddenly disappeared and the IRS suddenly lost all of her communications, when emails are saved on a server.

If my tax information disappears do you think the IRS is going to let me off the hook?

 

[piezoe]

i never said anything about Benghazi, as that was sheer government incompetence

That is one of the most sensible things anyone has ever posted in these lower, crackpot dominated, ET threads. It is so sensible, it is damn near correct even, especially if we're allowed to put mistakes and incompetence in the same basket. What the hell. Let's go ahead and allow it, so we can end on a high note. It's proof to me that there is hope for the World and that you really do think once in a while. Thank you. (It's late. It's 11:30 in DC. I imagine The Donald is still in the Oval Office trying to get most of that stack of documents filed before calling it a night. I'm sure he plans to be much better at finding and shipping out documents than Barack was.)

 

[Max E.]

That is one of the most sensible things anyone has ever posted in these lower, crackpot dominated, ET threads. It is so sensible, it is damn near correct even, especially if we're allowed to put mistakes and incompetence in the same basket. What the hell. Let's go ahead and allow it, so we can end on a high note. It's proof to me that there is hope for the World and that you really do think once in a while. Thank you. (It's late. It's 11:30 in DC. I imagine The Donald is still in the Oval Office trying to get most of that stack of documents filed before calling it a night. I'm sure he plans to be much better at finding and shipping out documents than Barack was.)

Mistakes are one thing, mistakes are tolerable, incompetence is not, especially when it costs lives, Chris Stevens sent dozens of emails to the state department requesting more security at the compound in benghazi, It was in the middle of a damn warzone.......

While I doubt Hillary ever saw them, someone in the state department did, and they seemed to have dismissed his requests, he knew he was about to die, and government incompetence ended up costing him his life.

By any account it seems like all those involved in benghazi were patriots, it does a grave disservice to chalk their death up to a simple mistake, it was gross incompetence, while i dont lay that at the feet of Hillary, someone in the state department got those emails and dismissed them.

Anyways..... Have a good night, good chatting with you.