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You should go on for more schooling-- -unfortunately, in today's world, you need to have the hard core credentials to make an impact. Well, obviously not everyone, but it sure makes its easier.

surf

There isn't much more of a hard core credential than making 10% monthly, or 6 figures everyday, 7 or 8 figures monthly, and breaking 9 annually.
 
Quote from bwolinsky:

There isn't much more of a hard core credential than making 10% monthly, or 6 figures everyday, 7 or 8 figures monthly, and breaking 9 annually.


Ok, man, I'm just trying to help. Good luck!
 
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I do know it involves not using stops to obtain maximum performance of any system--- therefore when i hear about stops and big returns-- I know its a false belief based on quantative studies indicating the opposite---

This is what i call "feel good" trading philosophy absent of proven evidence. It is very dangerous to rely on feel good ideas when in the market.

No, the facts prove this to be inaccurate. While it sounds good and smart, research proves it not to be true. My old firm studied a sample of 200,000 trades using stops at 1%, 2%, 5% etc and at every stop level, the percentage of winners decreased and the the expected return dropped --- How do you justify your statements when quantative facts reveal the opposite? Stops basically guarantee that you WILL LOCK IN LOSSES-----nothing more. surf

How can you define odds of a trade without knowing when exactly to cut a loss?
 
Quote from Lord.Maushi:

Using stops decreases my performance, it also protects my capital.

I can keep trading with decreased performance, I can't keep trading without my capital.

Pretty logical to me.

There is no such thing as trading without stops, typically when someone says they do not use stops, what they really mean is that they use big stops, and in some circles this is akin to not knowing how to read smaller TFs or lack of knowledge on how to do re-entry or both.

Exactly. "Academics" obviously don't trade. Who cares of higher hypothetical performance if it puts you on the risk of blow-up?

I perfectly know that my stops and targets probably decrease my performance big way... but my goal is consistent profit, not peak performance with huge risks.

I leave it to gamblers, for me trading is a business and I want to run it as safely as I can.

IMO one of the huge, dramatic mistakes most newbies make is trying to shoot for maximum performance instead of focus on consistency. They end up neither showing any profit at all nor being consistent.
 
20%+ yearly is absolutely possible for a day trader while keeping risk per trade as small as 2% per trade and keeping a maximum PTTDD under 20% (or 10 losses in a row).

Being "hedged" is a BS, because 100% hedge = no position, partial hedge = just smaller size or synthetic position in the other instrument etc.

Most people who talk about "hedging" obviously don't even understand what it is: hedging is a term for LOCKING IN price, it doesn't help speculator in any possible way other than making things unnecessarily complicated.
 
Quote from cornix:
Most people who talk about "hedging" obviously don't even understand what it is: hedging is a term for LOCKING IN price, it doesn't help speculator in any possible way other than making things unnecessarily complicated.

If I'm long stock or calls on that stock, I could hedge my position with puts and my potential profit would only be reduced by the cost of the puts. The maximum potential profit would still be unlimited. "Locking in price" is a different sort of hedging, the sort done by say airlines when they want to control their fuel costs.

Also, if the stock were to have a disastrous gap down, by being hedged with puts it would be possible to still realize a profit in certain situations.
 
Quote from Josef K:

If I'm long stock or calls on that stock, I could hedge my position with puts and my potential profit would only be reduced by the cost of the puts. The maximum potential profit is still unlimited. "Locking in price" is a different sort of hedging, the sort done by say airlines when they want to control their fuel costs.

If you're long stock and you buy puts you're long calls as a result. Just different synthetic position with different risk profile done with extra commissions.

If you're long calls and you buy puts you're long straddle or strangle. Same deal as above, just different trade.
 
Quote from cornix:

Let's not go into extremes. :)

I have never claimed 1000% returns consistently (despite it's probably possible for some less liquid instruments, but I didn't do it and so refrain from the comments), but let's face it:

would anyone in his/her mind day trade for 20% return on $100K account?

You are laughing at a consistent $20,000 per year on a $100,000 account? Why are you spreading these exagerations on the surf report? Do you realize how few can do this consistently-- yet you mock it as some kind of underperfomance. I didn't think so previously, but now you are making me beleive you are another stealth vendor like your friend Xpert-- he was banned for making these types of statements for the purpose of attracting noobs for his services. Please stop posting here, start your own thread------ stealth vendors are not welcome here. surf
 
Quote from cornix:

If you're long stock and you buy puts you're long calls as a result. Just different synthetic position with different risk profile done with extra commissions.

If you're long calls and you buy puts you're long straddle or strangle. Same deal as above, just different trade.

Dude, start you own thread. Nothing worse than someone with a severe lack of market experience, knowledge making statments like this in an attempt to make a point. I don't want this kind of HALF BAKED knowledge here, provided as the final word. If you don't want to be banned, don't post on the surf alert thread. Thank you.
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

You are laughing at a consistent $20,000 per year on a $100,000 account? Why are you spreading these exagerations on the surf report? Do you realize how few can do this consistently-- yet you mock it as some kind of underperfomance. I didn't think so previously, but now you are making me beleive you are another stealth vendor like your friend Xpert-- he was banned for making these types of statements for the purpose of attracting noobs for his services. Please stop posting here, start your own thread------ stealth vendors are not welcome here. surf

If I even vend something, I do it openly, never hide. Moderators see everything and I am sure will take measures if something looks suspicious to them.

I promise you to always be polite and only discuss actual trading, never ad hominem talks. So why should I leave?

Now back to your question:

yes I consider $20K on $100K a poor result. Of course it's meant to be poor result for already profitable trader.

Who cares about how few or how many can do it? Do you compare yourself to losers or professionals?

My deepest belief is one who decided to make a living by trading should only watch what winners do and care less of what 99.999999 or whatever % of the rest who lose suffer from except for the reason of learning what NOT to do. :)
 
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