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UsualName said:
Youre tripping. There’s going to be hundreds of thousands of people who conceal carry now in my state. Basic things like Shopping at Target is about to change.

This is a foolish decision that overturns established laws that have been on the books for over 100 years.
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It is legal to conceal carry in NY though....if you have a problem with concealed carry then the democratic legislature can easily rectify its laws for concealed carry.

If you are upset about concealed carry with a permit then the legislature should be attacked for allowing that. All the SC said is you cannot have some abritrary "proper cause" to get a permit. That is silly. If concealed carry with a permit is LEGAL then it is LEGAL. TO then ask applicants to "prove you really need this" is going to far.


Places Where You Can’t Conceal Carry In New York
  • You cannot conceal carry in buildings or within premises of schools, technical institutions, colleges, and universities.
  • You cannot conceal carry in places used for children facilities or daycare centers.
  • You cannot conceal carry in state parks except when you are permitted to do so for hunting reasons.
  • You are not allowed to conceal carry in places like the Liberty island and the monument for the statue of liberty.
  • You are not allowed to conceal carry in a campground meant for the general public, except during hunting in the spring season.
  • You are not allowed to conceal carry in the Zoar valley multipurpose area except it is during the hunting season.
  • You are not allowed to conceal carry in some specific areas of the Adirondack mountain reserve.
  • You are not allowed to conceal carry in courtyards and courthouses.
  • You are not allowed to conceal carry in any mental health facility, except you have permission from those in charge.
  • You cannot conceal carry within government buildings and properties in some cities and counties of New York.
  • You cannot conceal carry in airports.
  • You cannot conceal carry within any city in New York except you have a permit from the head of police in that city.
  • You cannot conceal carry in places that have signage or posts that prohibits the possession of firearms within their premises.
  • You cannot conceal carry in any place that the possession of firearms is not allowed by the federal laws of the United States.
 
El OchoCinco said:
It is legal to conceal carry in NY though....if you have a problem with concealed carry then the democratic legislature can easily rectify its laws for concealed carry.

If you are upset about concealed carry with a permit then the legislature should be attacked for allowing that. All the SC said is you cannot have some abritrary "proper cause" to get a permit. That is silly. If concealed carry with a permit is LEGAL then it is LEGAL. TO then ask applicants to "prove you really need this" is going to far.


Places Where You Can’t Conceal Carry In New York
  • You cannot conceal carry in buildings or within premises of schools, technical institutions, colleges, and universities.
  • You cannot conceal carry in places used for children facilities or daycare centers.
  • You cannot conceal carry in state parks except when you are permitted to do so for hunting reasons.
  • You are not allowed to conceal carry in places like the Liberty island and the monument for the statue of liberty.
  • You are not allowed to conceal carry in a campground meant for the general public, except during hunting in the spring season.
  • You are not allowed to conceal carry in the Zoar valley multipurpose area except it is during the hunting season.
  • You are not allowed to conceal carry in some specific areas of the Adirondack mountain reserve.
  • You are not allowed to conceal carry in courtyards and courthouses.
  • You are not allowed to conceal carry in any mental health facility, except you have permission from those in charge.
  • You cannot conceal carry within government buildings and properties in some cities and counties of New York.
  • You cannot conceal carry in airports.
  • You cannot conceal carry within any city in New York except you have a permit from the head of police in that city.
  • You cannot conceal carry in places that have signage or posts that prohibits the possession of firearms within their premises.
  • You cannot conceal carry in any place that the possession of firearms is not allowed by the federal laws of the United States.
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FYI, what you’re saying is precisely what is up next.

The decision ruled that conceal carry can be prohibited in “sensitive places” but gave no definition or test of what a sensitive place is. Obviously, the Supreme Court will be a “sensitive place” because they don’t want to be around guns but there is no guarantee what a sensitive place will mean going forward.
 
UsualName said:
FYI, what you’re saying is precisely what is up next.

The decision ruled that conceal carry can be prohibited in “sensitive places” but gave no definition or test of what a sensitive place is. Obviously, the Supreme Court will be a “sensitive place” because they don’t want to be around guns but there is no guarantee what a sensitive place will mean going forward.
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SC did not question about places being restricted for concealed carry, they just said if you make concealed carry legal with a permit... one of your criteria to issue that right cannot be the arbitrary and cparicious standard of "proper cause" which is vague and ripe for abuse.

"I need it for self defense"
"Ehh your town is not that unsafe, DENIED"
 
El OchoCinco said:
SC did not question about places being restricted for concealed carry, they just said if you make concealed carry legal with a permit... one of your criteria to issue that right cannot be the arbitrary and cparicious standard of "proper cause" which is vague and ripe for abuse.

"I need it for self defense"
"Ehh your town is not that unsafe, DENIED"
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Thomas wrote the opinion and noted sensitive places, which is a long standing issue, but did not define sensitive places nor provide a test for what a sensitive place is.

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I totally get you don’t see this as a big deal but in the states with the lowest gun violence it’s an enormous deal.

These rulings come in succession, this ruling today succeeded DC Heller. DC Heller overturned the original meaning of 2A that stood since the constitution was written and carved out an individual right to bear arms for personal defense, not in defense of the state*. But the Heller decision only protected exclusively the right own a weapon, not carry one in public. Here we are today now the federal court has further expanded 2A to an individual right to carry in public places that aren’t “sensitive places.” We know the super court will be such a place because they aren’t stupid and don’t want to around guns but what about Target? What about high school football games or public transportation? This is the next shoe to drop.

*Interestingly, the original draft of the 2A was changed from nation to state because southern states used their militias for “slave patrols” and didn’t want their militias to be called for service out of state and not have any force available to combat a slave uprising.
 
UsualName said:
Thomas wrote the opinion and noted sensitive places, which is a long standing issue, but did not define sensitive places nor provide a test for what a sensitive place is.

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I totally get you don’t see this as a big deal but in the states with the lowest gun violence it’s an enormous deal.

These rulings come in succession, this ruling today succeeded DC Heller. DC Heller overturned the original meaning of 2A that stood since the constitution was written and carved out an individual right to bear arms for personal defense, not in defense of the state*. But the Heller decision only protected exclusively the right own a weapon, not carry one in public. Here we are today now the federal court has further expanded 2A to an individual right to carry in public places that aren’t “sensitive places.” We know the super court will be such a place because they aren’t stupid and don’t want to around guns but what about Target? What about high school football games or public transportation? This is the next shoe to drop.

*Interestingly, the original draft of the 2A was changed from nation to state because southern states used their militias for “slave patrols” and didn’t want their militias to be called for service out of state and not have any force available to combat a slave uprising.
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Just to cut to the chase....

NY allows concealed carry with a permit... how does this ruling change that if that is still the law in NY?
 
El OchoCinco said:
Just to cut to the chase....

NY allows concealed carry with a permit... how does this ruling change that if that is still the law in NY?
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Ehh.. you’re phrasing it wrong. NY allowed some with need a conceal carry permit. Think handicap placards. This ruling changed a law based on a need to a want.
 
El OchoCinco said:
If NY wants to restrict Concealed carry then thye just need a better written law...

proper cause is not a viable hurdle to access a legal right like that...
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We will see what the impacted states do. NJ is one so I will be watching closely. Definitely don’t want guns in Target or anywhere else my wife and children go.
 
UsualName said:
We will see what the impacted states do. NJ is one so I will be watching closely. Definitely don’t want guns in Target or anywhere else my wife and children go.
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You may want them there if they are held by good guys.
 
Mercor said:
Your being fooled by headlines again...You do so by choice....Its only the headline that supports your point....You knew if you look deeper your point is not valid......I call that getting shallow and stupid to support a point of view

Only 37% of people agree with the bill that just failed in the senate
The bill would allow abortion up to 9 months , allow abortion based on gender of fetus...make it always legal
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Illegal with exceptions for rape and incest. There is a morning after pill. If women refuse to take it or require the man to wear protection, why should innocent babies brought into this world die because of it?
 
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