Supreme Court slaps down Trump’s citizenship Census question in surprise ruling

Roberts' decision is based on the obvious fiction that the government has no rational reason for wanting to know how many citizens are here and how many noncitizens. As bad and puzzling as his reasoning was, he did leave the government an opening to come back with a better-crafted explanation. Instead, they decided just to surrender and basically act like the whole thing was a fraud from the start. Poor leadership that should cost someone in the Commerce Department their job.

This is exactly the sort of incompetence that is making Trump supporters crazy with frustration. Just like with the border. Obvious ways to get things done yet nothing ever happens and things continue to get worse. Trump seems oblivious and thinks that blaming dems will absolve him. Did excuses ever cut it on The Apprentice?
 
AAAintheBeltway said:
Instead, they decided just to surrender and basically act like the whole thing was a fraud from the start.
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This was what most people thought from the beginning that he just wanted to rile up people and push their buttons, but never had a real thought out rationale for it. And he played chicken with the SC and blinked.

This is the problem, he thinks he can be President like he ran his TV show, just make off the cuff, top of the head calls and everyone just follows since he is the boss.

Trump would have fared a lot better since day one if he put his ego aside, never tweeted, truly hired competent staff and worked with paul Ryan and McConnel for a unified GOP platform his first two years. Dems would have lost a lot of momentum against him.

He was handed the keys to the kingdom and fucked it up royally haha. We are talking about 10 different candidates with a shot to challenge Trump (ignoring the other 12-14 as no way in hell), that is how bad things got.
 
TreeFrogTrader said:
Your ilk will not be happy until every person in America is homeless on the streets, speaks spanish, and is pissing on the American Flag.
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O’ Lord, with the melodrama.

Again, you’re caught up in the rhetoric and aren’t paying attention to what is really happening here.

You’re the backwoods rube getting juxed by the city slicker in a game of three cars montey. These boys in dc are playing on your anti immigrant streak to garner support for a political power move.

The queen was never in the shuffle. The citizenship question had nothing to do with illegal immigration or voting rights.

If you cared at all about the rule of law, you would understand this is a good ruling.
 
UsualName said:
O’ Lord, with the melodrama.

Again, you’re caught up in the rhetoric and aren’t paying attention to what is really happening here.

You’re the backwoods rube getting juxed by the city slicker in a game of three cars montey. These boys in dc are playing on your anti immigrant streak to garner support for a political power move.

The queen was never in the shuffle. The citizenship question had nothing to do with illegal immigration or voting rights.

If you cared at all about the rule of law, you would understand this is a good ruling.
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I see. Your ilk are the protectors and admirers of the rule of law now.

Might want to let them know that in Portland, Oregon.

Horowitz and Durham will continue to reveal your ilks furtherance of the rule of law. OR NOT.
 
AAAintheBeltway said:
Roberts' decision is based on the obvious fiction that the government has no rational reason for wanting to know how many citizens are here and how many noncitizens. As bad and puzzling as his reasoning was, he did leave the government an opening to come back with a better-crafted explanation. Instead, they decided just to surrender and basically act like the whole thing was a fraud from the start. Poor leadership that should cost someone in the Commerce Department their job.

This is exactly the sort of incompetence that is making Trump supporters crazy with frustration. Just like with the border. Obvious ways to get things done yet nothing ever happens and things continue to get worse. Trump seems oblivious and thinks that blaming dems will absolve him. Did excuses ever cut it on The Apprentice?
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Roberts decision, which was a compromise, was come back when you’re not lying.
 
All that matters is Trump wants something done and he should have the 100% right to do it with no interference from Congress or the Supreme Court. Why is it surprising supporters praise Trump for being friendly with Kim and Putin and are upset that Trump cannot unilaterally act that way in his own country. I bet you anything Trump is jealous at the amount of power those 2 wield in their own countries haha.

This is a general statement, not on this specific issue as Trump seems to act first, ask his Counsel second, think about best course of action last.
 
UsualName said:
Roberts decision, which was a compromise, was come back when you’re not lying.
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The problem was he opened the Pandora's Box of encouraging already out of control judges to question the motivation of every government announcement or policy. As the dissents made clear, this was unprecedented and obviously poor policy. At an even more basic level, as Alioto pointed out, this type of action is not properly reviewable at all by the courts. If they can decide what is a proper question for the census, there is very little that happens in the Executive Branch they can't second-guess. I know most clueless Americans already assume that is the courts' proper function, but a quick peruse of Article III of the Constitution will show otherwise.

The question of whether or not DOJ initiated the request for the question is totally irrelevant. It has zero to do with the issue of whether or not the government has the authority to learn how many actual citizens are out there. What kind of moron can even argue that the government has no rational reason to know how many citizens are counted in a census? Yet the Commerce Department decided adhering to some bureaucratic schedule was more important than vindicating this principle.
 
Interesting that there is not much talk here about the announcement by the court that it will hear the DACA case next session, which means that we will have a decision almost exactly one year from now or right before the election.

That will be revealing and also change some battle cries right before the election.
 
AAAintheBeltway said:
The problem was he opened the Pandora's Box of encouraging already out of control judges to question the motivation of every government announcement or policy. As the dissents made clear, this was unprecedented and obviously poor policy. At an even more basic level, as Alioto pointed out, this type of action is not properly reviewable at all by the courts. If they can decide what is a proper question for the census, there is very little that happens in the Executive Branch they can't second-guess. I know most clueless Americans already assume that is the courts' proper function, but a quick peruse of Article III of the Constitution will show otherwise.

The question of whether or not DOJ initiated the request for the question is totally irrelevant. It has zero to do with the issue of whether or not the government has the authority to learn how many actual citizens are out there. What kind of moron can even argue that the government has no rational reason to know how many citizens are counted in a census? Yet the Commerce Department decided adhering to some bureaucratic schedule was more important than vindicating this principle.
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I respect the argument that pretext is irrelevant but I’m of the opinion that pretext has a legal basis and must be considered in matters where it’s relevant.

The government certainly has the power to count citizens and non-citizens. We know this because it does this already and we have good data on this.

Claiming that not having this question on the 10 year survey will deny the government and its citizens of this data is a fallacy.

The court upheld the constitution in this matter.
 
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