Supreme Court says states can remove voters who skip elections, ignore warnings

I have no problem with rules requiring citizens to show a minimum level of responsibility in order to vote. These "little" things include maintaining valid ID, keeping address information reasonably current, bringing one's ID for positive voter identification prior to voting, being alive, being a citizen, being a valid resident, and not committing a felony for a reasonable period of time before being allowed to vote again.

There are too many names that either are very similar or exactly the same. Requiring home address and or birthdate in order to differentiate people will cut down on voter fraud.

With many election outcomes decided by less than a 2% in difference between candidates, one fraudulent vote has the effect of at least 50 voters in aggregate on elections.

Responsible people tend to make better decisions and the politicians that get elected should reflect this.

Most voter fraud occurs by way of absentee and mail in ballots. Children voting for their parents and spouses voting for each other when they are away.

If you guys cared at all about voter fraud that’s where the right’s focus would be. This is all about lowering voter turnout because that benefits republicans.
 
Part of the voting process is about protecting the rights of voters by ensuring their vote counts and are not overcome by fraudulent activity. ID requirements, citizenship requirements, and civic responsibility requirements(No recent felonies) helps reduce voter fraud and thereby allow constituents to be represented by the people they vote for.

A reasonable conclusion is that those oppose reasonable voter requirements benefit from voter fraud.

As far as paying taxes are concerned, if society provides a service or thing, such as a sidewalk, a subsizided bus, police, and public schools, you are obligated to pay for it whether you agree with voting rules or not. Besides, you can easily comply with voter registration and voting requirements and vote for those who campaign on providing "free" government services for everyone and that promise to ease voter requirements.

Yours is not a reasonable conclusion because in person voter fraud happens so infrequently it is not an issue. The premise of your argument is invalid.
 
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"UsualName, post: 4671267, member: 501368"]Most voter fraud occurs by way of absentee and mail in ballots. Children voting for their parents and spouses voting for each other when they are away.
As mentioned before, a single fraudulent vote has the effect of invaidating, say, 50 votes, maybe more, in an close election. If there is a vulnerability to our voting system, the voting commission is obligated to take corrective action in order to ensure voter's representatives are who they chose.

If you guys cared at all about voter fraud that’s where the right’s focus would be. This is all about lowering voter turnout because that benefits republicans.
Are you really saying there are enough Democratic supporters who are unable to obtain an ID and bring it to a voting place to make a difference in elections? It seems to me you have just self-admitted there are a significant number of irresponsible losers that comprise the Democratic Party.

Care to join a team of winners?

"UsualName, post: 4671269, member: 501368"]Yours is not a reasonable conclusion because in person voter fraud happens so infrequently it is not an issue. The premise of your argument is invalid.
Although I do not know of any or if there is really anyway to count voter fraud, when you leave a vulnerability in a system, it will inevitably be exploited. After all, if there was a way to determine a fraudulent ballot, it wouldn't be counted in the first place.

The fact the Left is so adamant in fighting reasonable voter protection implies they fear losing useful method to influence elections.

Do you also oppose stricter penalties for voter fraud as well?
 
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"UsualName, post: 4671267, member: 501368"]Most voter fraud occurs by way of absentee and mail in ballots. Children voting for their parents and spouses voting for each other when they are away.
As mentioned before, a single fraudulent vote has the effect of invaidating, say, 50 votes, maybe more, in an close election. If there is a vulnerability to our voting system, the voting commission is obligated to take corrective action in order to ensure voter's representatives are who they chose.

If you guys cared at all about voter fraud that’s where the right’s focus would be. This is all about lowering voter turnout because that benefits republicans.
Are you really saying there are enough Democratic supporters who are unable to obtain an ID and bring it to a voting place to make a difference in elections? It seems to me you have just self-admitted there are a significant number of irresponsible losers that comprise the Democratic Party.

Care to join a team of winners?

"UsualName, post: 4671269, member: 501368"]Yours is not a reasonable conclusion because in person voter fraud happens so infrequently it is not an issue. The premise of your argument is invalid.
Although I do not know of any or if there is really anyway to count voter fraud, when you leave a vulnerability in a system, it will inevitably be exploited. After all, if there was a way to determine a fraudulent ballot, it wouldn't be counted in the first place.

The fact the Left is so adamant in fighting reasonable voter protection implies they fear losing useful method to influence elections.

Do you also oppose stricter penalties for voter fraud as well?

If you believe in one citizen, one vote then you should oppose any barriers to voting. Many Americans don’t have an ID or a residence - neither should impede any American in good standing from voting.

The only fraudulent activity on this issue is the Republican activists seeking to disenfranchise Americans from their representative government.

You have hypothesized a vulnerability where one does not exist to cover up for the real motivation behind voter is laws, suppression of voters.

I don’t know if you know what is up or if you really are brainwashed into thinking there is a “vulnerability” but either way I’m done with this conversation because your side has no meritorious arguments.
 
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"UsualName, post: 4671419, member: 501368". If you believe in one citizen, one vote then you should oppose any barriers to voting.
That's the point. ONE CITIZEN who is in their JURISDICTION, who has displayed an minimal level of RESPONSIBILITY towards the community as evidenced by no recent felonies who can PROVE their eligibility to vote by indentification should be allowed to vote ONCE if they choose to.

Voter identification reduces voter fraud.



Many Americans don’t have an ID or a residence - neither should impede any American in good standing from voting.
By many Americans, do you mean many Democrats? Non driver's license IDs are dirt cheap and can cost less than a six pack of beer, pack of cigarettes, or a joint. These IDs are usually valid for 5 years. As far as a residential address is concerned, a local church or other community organization address may enough for the homeless to meet voter requirements.

The only fraudulent activity on this issue is the Republican activists seeking to disenfranchise Americans from their representative government.
This does not ring true as It is my informed understanding that under the Obama Administration, there were individuals who used racial profiling and intimidation at the voting places to suppress likely Republican voters.

You have hypothesized a vulnerability where one does not exist to cover up for the real motivation behind voter is laws, suppression of voters.
When it comes to money, power, and history most opportunities to swing things in one's favor are utilized, especially if it is easy, the chance of discovery is low, and if the penalties for getting caught are low.

It is fundamental to protect the sanctity of the vote. Those who oppose this sanctity of the vote are more interested in power at any cost or method than the adherence to principles that support our Democracy.


You have not answered my question whether you would support tougher penalties for voter suppression and fraud. Is this because you don't what to admit you don't support tougher voter fraud penalties because that would weaken your credibility on this issue?

I don’t know if you know what is up or if you really are brainwashed into thinking there is a “vulnerability” but either way I’m done with this conversation because your side has no meritorious arguments.
So your "arguments" has been thoroughly and repeatedly crushed and you surrender?

Good. At least you know enough to run away when you are beaten rather than attempting to beat a dead horse(or be beat) into atomic components.
 
And they don't. No one is restricted from getting a state ID.
I agree. There is no legitimate argument against voter ID. If people really care about citizens without valid IDs, then they should focus their efforts on helping them get valid IDs. Many states offer free IDs to low income citizens. All states should.

Here is an article from James Baker and Jimmy Carter, co-chairs of a bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform.

February 02, 2008
By Jimmy Carter and James A. Baker III

This Jimmy Carter and James Baker III op-ed was published in the Feb. 3, 2008, edition of The New York Times.

This is a major election year. Unfortunately, our two major political parties — Democratic and Republican — continue to disagree on some of the rules that apply to the administration of our elections. This divide is perhaps most contentious when the issue becomes one of whether voters should present photo identification to vote.

Twenty-seven states require or request some form of ID to vote. Supporters of this policy argue that if voters identify themselves before voting, election fraud will be reduced. Opponents of an ID requirement fear it will disenfranchise voters, especially the poor, members of minority groups and the elderly, who are less likely than other voters to have suitable identification. The debate is polarized because most of the proponents are Republicans and most of the opponents are Democrats.

In 2005, we led a bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform and concluded that both parties' concerns were legitimate — a free and fair election requires both ballot security and full access to voting. We offered a proposal to bridge the partisan divide by suggesting a uniform voter photo ID, based on the federal Real ID Act of 2005, to be phased in over five years. To help with the transition, states would provide free voter photo ID cards for eligible citizens; mobile units would be sent out to provide the IDs and register voters. (Of the 21 members of the commission, only three dissented on the requirement for an ID.)

No state has yet accepted our proposal. What's more, when it comes to ID laws, confusion reigns. The laws on the books, mainly backed by Republicans, have not made it easy enough for voters to acquire an ID. At the same time, Democrats have tended to try to block voter ID legislation outright instead of seeking to revise that legislation to promote accessibility. When lower courts have considered challenges to state laws on the question of access, their decisions have not been consistent. And in too many instances, individual judges have appeared to vote along partisan lines.

Fortunately, the Supreme Court has taken on a case involving a challenge to Indiana's voter ID law. The court, which heard arguments last month and is expected to render a judgment this term, has the power finally to bring clarity to this crucial issue. A study by American University's Center for Democracy and Election Management — led by Robert Pastor, who also organized the voting commission — illustrates the problem at hand. The center found that in three states with ID requirements — Indiana, Mississippi and Maryland — only about 1.2 percent of registered voters lacked a photo ID. While the sample was small, and the margin of error was therefore high, we were pleased to see that so few registered voters lacked photo IDs. That was pretty good news.

The bad news, however, was this: While the numbers of registered voters without valid photo IDs were few, the groups least likely to have them were women, African-Americans and Democrats. Surveys in other states, of course, may well present a different result.

We hope the court will approach the challenges posed by the Indiana law in a bipartisan or nonpartisan way. As we stated in our 2005 report, voter ID laws are not a problem in and of themselves. Rather, the current crop of laws are not being phased in gradually and in a fair manner that would increase — not reduce — voter participation. The recent decision by the Department of Homeland Security to delay putting in place the Real ID Act for at least five years suggests that states should move to photo ID requirements gradually and should do more to ensure that free photo IDs are easily available.

The Supreme Court faces a difficult and important decision. If the justices divide along partisan lines, as lower courts have, they would add to the political polarization in the country. We hope that they will find a nonpartisan path that combines both legitimate concerns — ballot security and full access to voting — and underscores the importance of applying these laws in a fair and gradual way. It is also important to remember that our commission's report addressed other pressing election concerns. There is much more that Congress and state legislatures need to do to improve the electoral process and restore confidence in our democracy. We have outlined 87 such steps in our commission report.

In the meantime, the Supreme Court can lead the way on the voter ID issue. It has the opportunity to inspire the states, our national leaders and the entire country to bridge the partisan divide on a matter that is important to our democracy. It can support voter ID laws that make it easy to vote but tough to cheat.

Jimmy Carter was the 39th president. James A. Baker III was the secretary of state in the George H.W. Bush administration.

https://www.cartercenter.org/news/editorials_speeches/voter_id.html
 
just a note... there is no ID required to vote in California.
I know, I just voted a week ago.

At this stage no one can say we have legitimate elections in California.
My brother told me a vet friend of his went to vote last week.
This man served many tours and has PTSD.

He handed the polling lady his I.D. She told him she did not need it.
He asked her how she would know who he was.
She said he could tell her.

He he started weeping for his friends who lost their lives and limbs.
 
just a note... there is no ID required to vote in California.
I know, I just voted a week ago.

At this stage no one can say we have legitimate elections in California.
My brother told me a vet friend of his went to vote last week.
This man served many tours and has PTSD.

He handed the polling lady his I.D. She told him she did not need it.
He asked her how she would know who he was.
She said he could tell her.

He he started weeping for his friends who lost their lives and limbs.
Yea, not buying the last bit about the weeping soldier unless you and your brother rung him thru some newborn church.
 
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