Study says Daytrading for a living is virtually impossible.

One often denied fact is that to be successful in trading, it does not just depend on hard work or perseverance. Most people will never make it no matter how long and hard they try because they simply do not possess the necessary psychological properties required of a successful trader. How long it takes for the few successful ones depends on the individual, the mentor(s), circumstances of the market, capitalization,...


And the study never took any of this into account because it shut off the study period to 1 year only and exlucded all traders with any experience more than 1 year.

So the study is shit.

basic man...
 
What's your trading experience? I worked for 13 years at hedge funds and sell side firms in prop trading capacity and as market maker, from spot fx all the way to structuring and pricing power reverse dual currency swaps. I now run colocated high frequency trading algorithms with focus on spot fx and have a Bloomberg terminal and trade many millions in capital. Keep on blabbering big guy. You definitely sound like a profitable trader, not.

Here is a picture of my discretionary trading setup and research machines at home alone: https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...r-trading-stations.324110/page-4#post-4827470


Wow....and you have all this experience but you find the study to be correct statistical method in declaring day trading is impossible for ALL traders.

Interesting...I bet it took you some time to get to this point of amazing profitability.

In the study what were the results of traders who stuck with it more than a year?

Oh the study never considered that.... shit study.
 
Here it's even in the abstract: "97% of them lost money, only 0.4% earned more than a bank teller (US$54 per day), and the top individual earned only US$310 per day with great risk (a standard deviation of US$2,560)."

I rest my case


Who the fuck is "them"?

ONLY NEW RETAIL TRADERS WITH NO PREVIOUS TRADING EXPERIENCE IN DAY TRADING.

Of course 97% of them failed but what is failure If you opened a $4000 trading account and ended at $3800 is that failure or did they spend $200 and hours learning to become better traders? Did he make $4000 the next year? Never know because study left them off the next year.

Shit study.

reading man.... basic.
 
Incorrect. Let me try a last time:

The researchers DID NOT conclude that profitable trading is impossible. Analogous, your conclusion that breaking 100 in golf is impossible is wrong. It is almost (virtually) impossible. And of course, the researchers did not include anyone who traded for more than 1 year because it would be double counting. The test was to figure out how many traders after one year did not continue, meaning, STOPPED to ever try to become a profitable trader. So, after one year 99.6% or so went broke and stopped pursuing the dream to become a trader.

Your point is that out of nowhere you make an assumption that a trader goes broke within a year and miraculously through some book reading and some online courses can become profitable, its just all about putting in a bit of study time, huh? Sorry pal, I have not seen such ever in my long professional career. In fact one can easily within a year figure out whether a junior is cut out to become a profitable trader or not. And even among those who possess the required traits and look promising within a year some still don't make it because of unforeseen circumstances. But to suggest the exact opposite, that an unsuccessful newbie trader can turn himself into a winner is ridiculous. It has never ever been proven and goes against the grain that any professional trader will have experienced in his life time.

Uh P&G makes diapers using a set of consistent parameters to repeat the process over and over again on machinery and random testing ensures the process is being replicated properly over and over again. So no they don't need to test every single one to make a statistical calculation about errors in the process.

So your basic analysis proves how basic your intelligence is in statistics. I showed several times the flaw in the study but you choose to ignore it.

Let me show it to you this way.

I went every year to golf courses in the country and sampled all players who were trying golf for the first time only and excluded all others. Each year I only sampled new golfers and never included those who played the year before. I also did not follow up on any golfers tested the previous year.


I examined who broke 100 on an 18 hole course in this first year and only 1% of those who played golf more than once broke 100.

Therefore I concluded that breaking 100 in golf is impossible.


Same bullshit analysis in the study cited.


Here endeth the lesson.
 
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I was profitable within year 1. Made several million USD in year two at a now-bankrupt investment bank.

The study never considered that because your point makes absolutely no FUCKING SENSE

Wow....and you have all this experience but you find the study to be correct statistical method in declaring day trading is impossible for ALL traders.

Interesting...I bet it took you some time to get to this point of amazing profitability.

In the study what were the results of traders who stuck with it more than a year?

Oh the study never considered that.... shit study.
 
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lol, you even omitted opportunity cost. While you may have lost $200 I made 150k base in year 1 and 220k base in year two.

Learn how to become a better trader? Where did you pick up this hogwash? A good trader can become a better trader, but a losing trader does not turn into a good trader. Never heard that, have you? If that held even remotely true you would not see a single snake oil trading education salesman, they would all "turn" themselves into better traders, after all they wrote the damn education themselves. They should become better traders quicker than all their dumb students. Not happening. Sorry to break it to you, pal.

An analogy to you: Test games where scouts spot potential NBA material. They find 1 or 2 guys in hundreds if not thousands. Ever seen a mediocre player who was overlooked by all the scouts and colleges and then miraculously self-improved and exercised harder than anyone else and then eventually still made it into the NBA? Sure perhaps one or two but those are anomalies that are usually filtered out in statistical sciences.

Who the fuck is "them"?

ONLY NEW RETAIL TRADERS WITH NO PREVIOUS TRADING EXPERIENCE IN DAY TRADING.

Of course 97% of them failed but what is failure If you opened a $4000 trading account and ended at $3800 is that failure or did they spend $200 and hours learning to become better traders? Did he make $4000 the next year? Never know because study left them off the next year.

Shit study.

reading man.... basic.
 
What intense discussion.

Day trading (actually day & night trading) derivatives future is my passion.

There is one thing which I still don't dare to do ; to count how much $$$ I have lost from trading years ago.

Well. Only a few can make it to day trade or swing trade for a living.
 
And I commend you for being honest to yourself. You deserve respect for that. At least you are ready to make up your mind to embark on a different style of financial management such as investing or turn to something entirely different. A lot of people on this site, however, seem to indulge in the daily pain it causes them when they lose again and again and again. They will never be ready to turn their lives around until they stop doing what they are doing and admit that what they have been doing is not working. Same as with addicts.

What intense discussion.

Day trading (actually day & night trading) derivatives future is my passion.

There is one thing which I still don't dare to do ; to count how much $$$ I have lost from trading years ago.

Well. Only a few can make it to day trade or swing trade for a living.
 
I was profitable within year 1. Made several million USD in year two at a now-bankrupt investment bank.

The study never considered that because your point makes absolutely no FUCKING SENSE


well arent you fucking special....you bullshit comment just exposed to everyone how full of shit you are.

Another Elite trader millionaire who made money immediately from year 1 with no losses.
 
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