Struggling With Mind Set

Quote from TTONE:

Here is my message in an easier to read format. I hope that helps. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.


Hi, I spent the greater part of 2004 studying tech analysis and daytrading. In March I started day trading live. I trade 1000 share blocks. I traded everyday for about a month and did very well. I have a seasonal business and couldn't dedicate full time to trading so I stopped and concentrated on my business. In August I went to the online trading academy for a week to reiterate what I had learned. November 1st I went back to day trading full time and have not been able to get on the right side of the market since.

I have what I believe is a decent knowledge in candlestick patterns. When I trade I screen for increased volume and try to trade stocks that are moving for one reason of another which worked well in the past. I have experimented with a lot of different studies and feel that candlestick patterns and price movement work best for me. I use moving averages and Stochastics as a secondary study.

I will now try to explain what I think my problem is and would like some feedback. I come in during the morning and find what I think is a good setup (poss mover). Normally I wait until around 10:00 AM to get in. I use a mental stop at first because I feel if my stop is out there market makers see it and come after me. Once I have a 12 to 15 cent profit I set a mechanical stop and move the stop up as I take the ride.

I usually end up making money ($100, $200, $500, $800 etc) and a lot of the time within minutes. All these numbers should make me happy for the day but because it's so early in the trading day I want to keep going. At this point I feel like I'm trading with their money and I think I end up with bigger noogies and not really looking for the correct entry point. By the time the morning is over I'm down $200, $500, $100, $1800 by the end of the day.At night i think about my mistakes and try to get my head right and tell myself to go in the next day, look for my setup, trade it, make my profit, and be done. Every morning I find my setup, trade it, and then contunue trading and give it back and then some.

Can I plase get some feedback on how to try to get myself some discipline in day trading. Go ahead and yell at me and tell me that 3 or 4 hundred dollars on 100 shares should be a satisfactory profit for a day. I think my mind is saying subconsciously that I'm looking for a 1000 a day because I was doing that without much effort in the spring. I think I'm focusing in the early trading day and the get sloppy as soon as I get up on the market.
Gave me a great laugh. Just a horsesh*t heap of 'hit and miss' day after day.

There has been the cult classic "Wall Street". How about a comedy drama called "The Trader" on the groundhog principle; every day he wakes up and its yesterday so he knows he can play the market successfully because he knows how the day ends. But hold on, no, this hapless hardhead still manages to jack it up day after day. A happy ending? Well, OK, you write it.
:)
 
It's like going to vegas. The longer your stay your mathematical odds of keeping your winnings are drastically reduced.

Buy one of those electrical timers (the kind that turns your lamps on/off when you are on vacation). Two hours in and oops you are done for the day.

See how silly that sounds, imo this is why the Nike commercial "Just do it" is so appealing, most of us know what that means, dream of it but don't have a clue or the tools on how to get there.
 
Quote from mhashe:

I'm curious, what did you do for a living before starting to trade fulltime?

You're probably trading a volatility breakout system, these do well in the first 30min to hr. Have you tried picking up golf?


collision repair /300k a month in sales for 14 yrs / sold in "96", now own a seasonal irrigation co . summer only .mhashe; your really jack nicholas arent you , ide really loose money golfing for income
 
Quote from Cheese:

Gave me a great laugh. Just a horsesh*t heap of 'hit and miss' day after day.

There has been the cult classic "Wall Street". How about a comedy drama called "The Trader" on the groundhog principle; every day he wakes up and its yesterday so he knows he can play the market successfully because he knows how the day ends. But hold on, no, this hapless hardhead still manages to jack it up day after day. A happy ending? Well, OK, you write it.
:)
hey cheesy , your right ,this does sound like bs when i read what i wrote . but im into this sh-t enough to keep learning and make a serious effert , f--k ive been in a few different buss long enough to know it doesnt come easy so i m gonna keep trying , it seemed so easy till i went to that damn class ,
im going back to the basics , mech stops , volume incr , support and res , the hell with all the other sudies ,mech stops and stick with it, loss limit per day , education / i still think theres money to be made day trading , but i got more to learn / if you know any thing about this dont beat on me , help me , because im deep in this shit- and have made a long effort to start learning by the way your a horsh it heap of sh-t flamer `for making those comments / youve probably been messing with this sght too long / go back to the begining when you had something constructive to say and / or just laugh more flamer
 
I would suggest you can the stocks for daytrading. Stocks are playtoys of corporate children. The elite business schools must teach to the suckers that the COMPANY is their playtoy, bunch of ego nuts.

Daytrade with a daytrade instrument, something where the game is more geared to the timeframe of daytrading....:eek:

The E-MINI's are the weapon of choice for serious gamers...:D

The ES is KING, learn how to trade that, then when you clean out the winnings from your account every year you can do 2 things for the new year.

# 1 You start over and shoot for an extremely high return % return on your trading capital. Not your total net worth, just the trading capital.

#2 You take last years winning money, after you made Uncle Sam happy by paying your taxes and you then maybe ..MAYBE.. buy some stocks for the longer run. Keep this in mind also, even buying stocks for the longer run you will still be a mkt timer, everyone is.

OK, have fun.....STEEL YOURSELF........SOLDIER ON....:cool: :D
 
Quote from bighog:

I would suggest you can the stocks for daytrading. Stocks are playtoys of corporate children. The elite business schools must teach to the suckers that the COMPANY is their playtoy, bunch of ego nuts.

Daytrade with a daytrade instrument, something where the game is more geared to the timeframe of daytrading....:eek:

The E-MINI's are the weapon of choice for serious gamers...:D

The ES is KING, learn how to trade that, then when you clean out the winnings from your account every year you can do 2 things for the new year.

# 1 You start over and shoot for an extremely high return % return on your trading capital. Not your total net worth, just the trading capital.

#2 You take last years winning money, after you made Uncle Sam happy by paying your taxes and you then maybe ..MAYBE.. buy some stocks for the longer run. Keep this in mind also, even buying stocks for the longer run you will still be a mkt timer, everyone is.

OK, have fun.....STEEL YOURSELF........SOLDIER ON....:cool: :D

thanks for the positive input , i have only been learning equities but am curious . about e minis now thanks to you
looks good - lower commisoins, high liquidity,highly leveraged, short without an up tick, do you have any sugestions on a good broker and platform that i should demo
thanks again
 
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