String Theory Co-Founder: Sub-Atomic Particles are Evidence the Universe Was Created

With this I 100% agree. For me it is the creator God for you it is some esoteric ideas you seem to have a very hard time even roughly defining.


No, it's really about how the universe operates.

Nowhere ever have we observed something coming from nothing.........just like the universe itself. It always was, it just changes form. Not an esoteric idea at all.


I think the science explanation for our existence is more profound than that of some bearded old dude snapping his fingers one day - six days, whatever - and making it all appear. The very idea is absurd...




it was probably a woman. Her name was Hillary.
 
who told you it is an old dude? And that he has a beard? And that he even has fingers to snap? Can't you see how limited you are in your thinking? You talk universe but can't even clearly define what you believe in other than a "universe that changes form". I leave it at that.


No, it's really about how the universe operates.

Nowhere ever have we observed something coming from nothing.........just like the universe itself. It always was, it just changes form. Not an esoteric idea at all.


I think the science explanation for our existence is more profound than that of some bearded old dude snapping his fingers one day - six days, whatever - and making it all appear. The very idea is absurd...




it was probably a woman. Her name was Hillary.
 
" The Catholic Church no longer teaches creationism -- the belief that God created the world in six days as described in the Bible -- and says that the account in the book of Genesis is an allegory for the way God created the world. "


Thu Jan 6, 2011

God was behind Big Bang, universe no accident: Pope

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pope-bigbang-idUSTRE7052OC20110106

God's mind was behind complex scientific theories such as the Big Bang, and Christians should reject the idea that the universe came into being by accident, Pope Benedict said on Thursday.

"The universe is not the result of chance, as some would want to make us believe," Benedict said on the day Christians mark the Epiphany, the day the Bible says the three kings reached the site where Jesus was born by following a star.

"Contemplating it (the universe) we are invited to read something profound into it: the wisdom of the creator, the inexhaustible creativity of God," he said in a sermon to some 10,000 people in St Peter's Basilica on the feast day.

While the pope has spoken before about evolution, he has rarely delved back in time to discuss specific concepts such as the Big Bang, which scientists believe led to the formation of the universe some 13.7 billion years ago.

Researchers at CERN, the nuclear research center in Geneva, have been smashing protons together at near the speed of light to simulate conditions that they believe brought into existence the primordial universe from which stars, planets and life on earth -- and perhaps elsewhere -- eventually emerged.

Some atheists say science can prove that God does not exist, but Benedict said that some scientific theories were "mind limiting" because "they only arrive at a certain point ... and do not manage to explain the ultimate sense of reality ..."

He said scientific theories on the origin and development of the universe and humans, while not in conflict with faith, left many questions unanswered.

"In the beauty of the world, in its mystery, in its greatness and in its rationality ... we can only let ourselves be guided toward God, creator of heaven and earth," he said.

Benedict and his predecessor John Paul have been trying to shed the Church's image of being anti-science, a label that stuck when it condemned Galileo for teaching that the earth revolves around the sun, challenging the words of the Bible.

Galileo was rehabilitated and the Church now also accepts evolution as a scientific theory and sees no reason why God could not have used a natural evolutionary process in the forming of the human species.

The Catholic Church no longer teaches creationism -- the belief that God created the world in six days as described in the Bible -- and says that the account in the book of Genesis is an allegory for the way God created the world.

But it objects to using evolution to back an atheist philosophy that denies God's existence or any divine role in creation. It also objects to using Genesis as a scientific text.
 
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conduit said:
. You seem to want to pick some dummies that dont live by their faith, maybe you can balance it out with someone who does live by his faith and is intelligent to articulate himself as well:
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No. You did not read my link. Then you talk about homosexuals. Why? I am not homosexual but my opinion is the homosexuals are not choosing, they are born to be homosexual.
Why do you day "dummies", for the link I show you?

Here is one article from the link. You think he is (dummies)?

Dennis Venema is professor of biology at Trinity Western University in Langley, British Columbia and Fellow of Biology for BioLogos. He holds a B.Sc. (with Honors) from the University of British Columbia (1996), and received his Ph.D. from the University of British Columbia in 2003. His research is focused on the genetics of pattern formation and signaling using the common fruit fly Drosophila melanogaster as a model organism. - See more at: http://biologos.org/blogs/dennis-ve...-primate-to-human-part-1#sthash.0Q4tjWPA.dpuf

From hominid to hominin
Having surveyed the hominid crown group (orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees and humans, their last common ancestral population, and all descendant species of that population), we are now prepared to examine our own branch within it – species more closely related to us than to chimpanzees. Such species are known as hominins. Though humans are the only surviving hominin lineage, there was once a wide diversity of hominin species on the planet, some of which lived alongside early humans. One interesting fact about our own lineage is that our “branch” emerges from a rather “bushy” phylogeny. There are many hominin forms in the fossil record, and teasing out their precise relatedness to one another is a challenging exercise (for more detail, see the series by anthropologist James Kidder in “For further reading” below). Forms for which DNA sequence is available are easy to place in a phylogeny, but those known only from fossil remains are more difficult to place. Given our forgoing discussion of stem-group and crown-group species, however, we are now prepared to appreciate these fossil hominins for what they are: stem-group species on our own branch, with some species possibly ancestral to our own, or located very close to the branch points with our lineage:

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- See more at: http://biologos.org/blogs/dennis-ve...-primate-to-human-part-1#sthash.0Q4tjWPA.dpuf



Here is more.

Adam & Eve, Apologetics, and Christian Witness

December 14, 2015 | By Dennis Venema on Letters to the Duchess

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  • We’ve come a long way in this series, covering both the scientific evidence that humans descend from a population, rather than a pair, as well as the responses to these lines of evidence by two leading Christian apologists. As we have seen, however, those responses have not stood up to scrutiny. Indeed, in several cases the arguments we have examined are based on a significant misunderstanding of the relevant science.

    As a Christian and a scientist, I have long been perplexed by the desire that many Christians have for apologetics arguments made by those without training or expertise in the area under discussion. Unfortunately, most Christians don’t know enough about evolutionary biology or population genetics to know if the apologetics they are reading is sound. One of the reasons for this series, as well as my previous series, Evolution Basics, is to try to help reverse that trend. Once one understands the relevant science, one is in a much better position to evaluate an apologetics argument as helpful or misguided.

    - See more at: http://biologos.org/blogs/dennis-ve...cs-and-christian-witness#sthash.juh71Wlj.dpuf
 
No, I think you are just highly confused. In post #2 of this thread you said "I'll believe it when 97% of scientists agree. Until then I'm an atheist. And even then I may not convert because my belief in Atheism gives me comfort."

http://www.elitetrader.com/et/index...the-universe-was-created.300707/#post-4294797
gotta find that dictionary. Or at least keep up with the scientific debate down here. How bout you, if they prove there is no god will you become an atheist? Or do you already know they will never prove there is no god?
 
of course it is possible my friend. The second there is proof that this world was created by some collision of particles/gases and when such proof provides an explanation where such matter came from I will stop believing in God and I am pretty certain most Christians would. After all nobody wants to believe in disproven claims.

Of course is Hawking (imho one of the most miserable and pityful person on earth) horny like a dog in heat to disprove anything related to God. He will die a miserable man with the knowledge how much of his intelligence he wasted for pursuits that will turn out to be worthless.
What seems to be escaping you is that even if the origin of the universe, the planet Earth, and the origins of all life forms on the Earth were understood in the minutest detail to the point that man could recreate life starting with the elements of the periodic table and in a way consistent with natural law, it still wouldn't disprove that god created the Earth and everything on it in 6 days. It is impossible to disprove supernatural events if the outcome of those events is the same as would be arrived at by a different path that did not depend on the supernatural and did not violate natural law..

You will always be able to believe that the Earth was created by God in 6 days, and no one will ever be able to disprove that to you, so long as you believe in a God that can do anything including those things that violate natural law, such as for example changing the rate of radioisotope decay to make physical things on Earth appear much older than they actually are, etc. Those who insist the natural laws may not be violated, such as myself, do not accept the Biblical account. We believe the Earths is billions of years old. It is pointless to discuss this proof/disprove stuff with regard to the Biblical creation story.
 
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