Quote from Neoxx:
Your analysis is interesting and portrays them in a whole new light.
So while potentially more of your equity is at risk in any one situation, because of high probability setups (e.g. breakouts) and clearly defined S/R levels your actual risk is much smaller.
And another factor that deterred me from using spreads was the seemingly poor risk/reward ratio. But, you paint them in a far more appealing colour.
And I hadnât realized you can realize most profits well in advance of expiry if the underlying moves your way. So you donât actually have to hold your spread for a whole month.
But it seems you can also maintain your mobility with spreads.
Also, it seems like youâre benefiting in 2/3 scenarios, substantial losses coming only by way of a sluggish underlying, which again, is unlikely at a breakout point. The stock will either burst through the S/R level or falter and fall back through the other way. Right? And if youâre wrong about the initial direction, because youâre using a credit spread you can easily adjust your position in the opposite direction.
It does make a lot of sense, and seems perfectly synergistic with a breakout strategy. So, in essence, while the right-hand side of your P/L diagram is a vertical spread, the left-hand side resembles a shallow version of the left-hand side of a straddle P/L. Is that correct?
Taking a real life applicationâ¦
I bout HXL 17.5 puts on 27th December. My rationale was: channeling, rising on faltering volume, a hammer at support then a long red candle with good volume. In retrospect, perhaps I should have been a little wary, given that resistance didnât hold on the last occasion and the aerospace industry has been in a steady uptrend since 2003.
So, I could adjust my position by selling a 22.5 put and metamorphosing into a bull put spread. My absolute max loss (5.0 â (credit â initial debit)) would be about 4% of my equity, and max profit would be 3%.
If the breakout failed, I could simply buy back the 22.5 put and ride my long put down.
Is that right?
Or (assuming the move continues) should I dissolve my position, incur my 0.8% loss and participate in the upside move with a long call?
I think that your analysis of your choices is pretty well on track. I don't blame you for getting out of the situation at an 8% loss. I also wouldn't recommend right now getting into any calls because of the obvious resistence that we will see on HXL at the $20 mark. If it blows through that resistence then it would probably find new support there and might not make a bad bullish play.
On another note, instead of getting in originally on a long put play, if you'd have gotten in on a bear call spread, I would've ancouraged you to hold on to your position until it breaks through the $20 resistence. At that point you could buy back the short leg and ride what will likely be a nice bullish wave. Besides that, we might see some short covering if it does break through the $20 mark.
I don't know that I would say that I play mostly credit spreads, because there are certain times when other strategies make sense. As a single strategy though, I do think that there are many advantages that credit verticals have. You mantioned many of them. The thing that I mostly love is what you caught on to, about them being very mobile. That's what I hate about most options books (not that I will ever write a better one), they recommend poor strategies to beginners assuming that people are too dumb to untilize multiple leg strategies.
By the way, you might be interested to keep an eye on PAAS. Might make a good bullish play for you if it can get over that resistance.

