Stop paying credit cards. Give yourself a bailout!!

Quote from Sandybestdog:

Actually, on this thread, he is somewhat toned down from his normal routine. I actually got him to admit that sometimes people get into bad situations. I have still never been able to get out of him how he makes a living and how it makes him so great and everybody else who is not at his level a complete loser.

The real problem is that our whole economy is based on debt. New money is created through debt. Our government is constantly borrowing more. Those who save are punished by having their savings eroded through inflation. Why in the world does it take 30 years to pay for a house? People like me who used to make good money working low end jobs, are now making less than before while struggling with ever increasing cost of living. What is the solution to this? Go to school and get some skills, which means more debt. It seems anytime somebody tries to get ahead, it always involves more debt.

I sympathise with your difficulties.I did hear something about cc co's rethinking their business plan. I would think many people want to see a change.Maybe there are now,or soon will be,enough people in such difficulty that things will change.Maybe some good will come from this crisis.
I am hearing 'new world order' and am suprised to see how quiet the conspiracy theorists seem to be about something they have been warning us about.Maybe it will be a good thing, but.... i see the bankers are still trying to justify the big money 'to recruit and maintain the talent we need..'
The politicians of the world are trying to work together in this crisis.But i will have more faith in seeing real changes if they will work together in the good times with the same resolve,to tackle the issues like poverty,3rd world debt,nuclear disarmament,and the environment.
History shows us that when the dust has settled nothing much will have changed.
 
Quote from MandelbrotSet:

Thank you for avoiding the items I brought up in my post, just like you've avoided paying taxes, rent and your credit card bills. :) :D :p

Lol

Ive already proudly proclaimed many many times that i dont pay any tax ever,
maxed out my creditcard with the intention of never paying any of it back,
and just totally ignoring all the banks phoned calls (since i gave them the number for some old pay-n-go simcard that i never use), and so just leave it for however many months it takes till they gaveup trying and just wrote my debt off with the other billions. :cool:

Dont pay council tax, and managed to scam my way into getting £540 sent into my bank account each month by the government.

Dont pay electricty bills since i fooled the electricty provider into thinking this was just 1giant flat and that my previous nextdoor neighbour was the tenant who was responsible for paying bills.


:cool: :D :p
 
Quote from Sandybestdog:

He doesn’t just owe money to Harvard, but also the taxpayers who paid his tuition and also Bob’s parent’s who have paid taxes for years, yet their son didn’t qualify for anything because on paper they are considered rich. But my point is that the system tends to favor those who abuse it, rather than work hard.

This thread is the first time I have ever seen you admit that perhaps people find themselves in hard situations, instead of just assuming that every person in default is that way because he bought too many big screen tv’s because he thought he was owed everything. You have relentlessly critisized me, yet have nothing to say about my made up story about Bob. While I never went to Yale or don’t have the other qualifications that he does, I have worked just as hard at other things that just didn’t work out. Unlike Bob, I was never late even once on my credit cards before they tripled my interest rate.

Now that my job is paying me significantly less than a few years ago, I have slowly been squeezed by the rapid increase in the cost of living, while at the same time making less money. I called my CC’s several times when they wanted to jack my rate again, and they were completely unwilling to work with me. Instead they tried to console me by telling me that it wasn’t just me, but everybody’s rate was going up. They borrow the money from the Fed at .25% and lend it out at 30%. That’s like McDonald’s buying the ingredients to a hamburger for 25 cents, and then charging you $30 for it. But I’m sure this means nothing to you. You never critisize the system, but judge people by the end result regardless of how they got there.

So after 6 years of perfect payment history, 2 months ago, I didn’t have enough money to pay two of my cards. The other 3 have small balances and I want to keep those, as they have not tried to screw me over. But I have gotten lucky in the past 2 weeks and have landed 2 good paying temp jobs, in addition to my regular. So it’s back to 60+ hour weeks for now. But, I found some fico calculators and it looks like by missing just 2 months of payments, 6 years of perfect payments has been wiped out, and my score has probably dropped by about 200 points, and won’t recover for at least 3 years. So now, if I pay my cards again, my score won’t go back up. It would be better for me to just try to save a bunch of money over the summer, and try to make a deal with them before it goes to court. But the point is, one little mess up and it screws up everything. We all have paper trails following us around everywhere now, so in the future, everybody can see every little mistake we have made and judge us based on a few bad moments in our lives.

Believe me, I have thought many times lately that I can't believe my perfect credit is gone. It truly pains me. It was something I planned for and worked very hard to keep up and in 2 months it's gone. I had no intention of ever having this happen.
I truly empathize with you. I think the credit cards do what they do b/c they are afraid if they would leave any room for leniancy, they would be taken advantage of. I would recommend they allow ALL their customers to miss 1-2 payments during the year at a fee of $50, with no impact on their credit scores. What they are doing now hurts themselves as well as the borrowers who then have those higher rates. Had it been war time, and ALL their customers had to default for a couple of months, I'm sure they would have come up with some approach similar to what I mentioned.
 
Quote from MandelbrotSet:

...Because your post makes you sound like you're an illegal immigrant, migrant worker or a low level McDonald's food server (you would at least be able to work your way up to manager with that one).

Oh I see ... is this what is called "The Losers Lament"?
While I do agree with your posts against people who try to take advantage of the system*, I definitely don't agree with your attitude to people who try hard (and in some cases their hardest) but didn't manage. We all must leave enough place in our hearts to have concern & regard for others. I do agree doing this in some cases causes people to become losers, but your business is to be a decent human being within your right.


*like during the hurricane & flooding in Louisiana that people who should have taken responsible steps to help others (or at least let rescuers in) instead they acted like they were having the time of their lives taking advantage of other displaced people...
 
Quote from spanish89:

Lol

Ive already proudly proclaimed many many times that i dont pay any tax ever,
maxed out my creditcard with the intention of never paying any of it back,
and just totally ignoring all the banks phoned calls (since i gave them the number for some old pay-n-go simcard that i never use), and so just leave it for however many months it takes till they gaveup trying and just wrote my debt off with the other billions. :cool:

Dont pay council tax, and managed to scam my way into getting £540 sent into my bank account each month by the government.

Dont pay electricty bills since i fooled the electricty provider into thinking this was just 1giant flat and that my previous nextdoor neighbour was the tenant who was responsible for paying bills.


:cool: :D :p
You though are true scum. I sure hope the stuff you say on this thread will be used against you.
 
Quote from MandelbrotSet:

Oh we belive your group can trade ... just not very well! Otherwise you wouldn't need to be hustlers, grifters, deadbeats and other assorted mal-adjusted social parasites whose very existence is designed to suck the system dry of any nourishment it may provide its honest, tax paying, debt paying, savings oriented populace.

I've already explained in-depth why I think you people are a parasite sucking the blood out of the system ... just like there are fleas on a dog in this world, there are people like you. :mad:

P.S. Nah, I'm not really mad at you guys. I feel compassion for you. You don't have the strength to get your legs under you and walk in this world as a "man", regardless of your situation; and you think you can get something for free in this world without having to pay-in-kind, and that most definitely is not true.

Nevertheless, I wish you the best in real-life (especially spanish89, he acts like he was orphaned at a young age and left to survive on his own in the streets). :(

Just for the record.My credit record is fine.I already stated that my 'crimes' were 25 years ago. I also stated that one should always face the consequences of their actions. Being self employed my whole life wouldn't mark me out as an obvious parasite.Like you say,you don't get something for free in this world,there is a price for Everything. Do i have regrets?,yeah some,not many.Would i do some things differently?,again,some.But i bet you can say the same about your past. And i am not mad at you either!
 
Quote from Option Trader:

I truly empathize with you. I think the credit cards do what they do b/c they are afraid if they would leave any room for leniancy, they would be taken advantage of. I would recommend they allow ALL their customers to miss 1-2 payments during the year at a fee of $50, with no impact on their credit scores. What they are doing now hurts themselves as well as the borrowers who then have those higher rates. Had it been war time, and ALL their customers had to default for a couple of months, I'm sure they would have come up with some approach similar to what I mentioned.

That is an excellent idea.In fact,that approach might bring them more customers.And i appreciate what you said in your following post.
 
Quote from Option Trader:

I sure hope the stuff you say on this thread will be used against you.

LOL :D


Used against me where and by who?? :cool: :p

I made sure that i merely did what i LEGALLY was and still am able to do without breaking any laws that are currently in the UK legal system! :)


So there is no 'backlash' or consequences... :cool:
 
Quote from spanish89:

LOL :D


Used against me where and by who?? :cool: :p

I made sure that i merely did what i LEGALLY was and still am able to do without breaking any laws that are currently in the UK legal system! :)


So there is no 'backlash' or consequences... :cool:
If your intention is merely to expose the weaknesses of the system so that people don't do such things (and you don't either) then you're a good guy. :) ...only you haven't really sounded like that.
 
Quote from MandelbrotSet:
You do realize that you are posting on a website about trading, right?#!? :)

Because your post makes you sound like you're an illegal immigrant, migrant worker or a low level McDonald's food server (you would at least be able to work your way up to manager with that one).

Oh I see ... is this what is called "The Losers Lament"?
You do realize that this website has like 20 categories to post in, some of which have nothing to do with trading.

What is your point in referring to what I say as something an illegal immigrant would say? I was talking mostly about credit cards, which most illegal's don't have. And why would you group them with a low level McDonald’s server? The first takes value from this world by not following the rules and abusing the system. The second brings value to this world, even if you think they are worthless for working a low level job.

I have been an assistant manager at a restaurant. There really is nothing to work up to. There is nowhere to go from there. You still get paid crap and it looks terrible on your resume. If you think the word “manager” means anything, it doesn’t. The fact that you work at a fast food restaurant is a blemish. The fact that you are already grouping those people people with illegal immigrants and low level workers, shows that people are already predetermined that those people are worthless and bring no value because of where they work. So for these people to get ahead, they not only have to gain more skills, but also overcome the negative perception by people like you.
 
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