Stop Loss Hunters?

Quote from ChkitOut:

How do floor traders have any power to do that on the s&p? The screens completely dominate the volume. Plus its an index which will obviously be arbed. I can't understand how that could happen.

you are right about the volume, But the volume you are referring to follows the big board in CME floor and like I said, this does not happen often. Specially within recent years as the electronic trading is getting more advanced.
 
Quote from ChkitOut:

How do floor traders have any power to do that on the s&p? The screens completely dominate the volume. Plus its an index which will obviously be arbed. I can't understand how that could happen.

The tail wags the dog which wags the tail.:D
 
Quote from Kassz007:

There is a thread on Forex Factory started by an ex-top currency guy at SocGen and he confirms that stop sweeps absolutely 100% do happen in the forex market.

Can you shoot through the link? I'd love to have a read
 
Quote from rickf:

+1

I will use a stop loss (or a trail) once the trade is profitable....but to enter a trade with (for example) a fixed or tight stop loss is just looking for trouble in my book. I have learned (painfully) to give the trade time to develop and not be focussed on 'instant profitability.' Otherwise, I just end up paying the broker, and that's no fun. But I agree there may be 'games' done to 'run stops' --- IMHO that's frequently found with tons of long-tailed candles in a row.

It depends on what you do.

If you use an automated strategy with a well defined and stable distribution of returns you might need fixed stoplosses when you enter your trade in order to define your maximum risk (ex. 1% of capital).
This then allows you to provide statistical guarantees based on your distribution of returns (ex. 99% confidence no losing month).
 
Quote from matador04:

How do these traders operate? How can they move the market just to stop me out then let the price drift back up?

Myth. They can see how many waiting buy/sell orders are sitting at each tick. Its not rocket science. So can you. Seriously, paranoia is not a good way to be trading.
 
Quote from rickf:

+1

I will use a stop loss (or a trail) once the trade is profitable....but to enter a trade with (for example) a fixed or tight stop loss is just looking for trouble in my book. I have learned (painfully) to give the trade time to develop and not be focussed on 'instant profitability.' Otherwise, I just end up paying the broker, and that's no fun. But I agree there may be 'games' done to 'run stops' --- IMHO that's frequently found with tons of long-tailed candles in a row.

That said, I used to have a 5-point ES stop on all trades when I placed the order, which I kept purely for 'catastrophic' purposes if my network or computer crashed ... that's a tip I picked up from the guy who runs the room I trade in. But nowdays, I find myself not even doing that, and prefer to use more 'mental' or 'time-based' (though still mental) stops and manage my trade accordingly based on market conditions.

I agree about giving a trade time. It's very difficult to get entry timing perfect, which is basically what you're asking for with a hard, tight, initial stop loss.

I've heard of other people also placing this "catastrophic" stop loss. While I don't believe there is any harm in this, I don't think it's useful either. Think about the circumstances under which your catastrophic stop loss would be triggered. Likely a major news event, that moves price in one direction very, very quickly. In this type of environment, your stop loss is more than likely to incur significant slippage due to the quick movements. Like I said, no harm done, but I don't see this as being any different from closing the position with a market order as price moves against you. Unless you are not actively watching the trade or something to that effect, in which case I suppose it would be useful.
 
Quote from cooper1308:

Can you shoot through the link? I'd love to have a read

It's a VERY long read. Literally took months of reading, but was well worth it. Look up the thread "Technical Analysis Fallacy" on forexfactory.com
 
Good info, guys. Thanks...I didn't think that there was some big conspiracy, just that sometimes weak traders show weakness and their stronger counterparts capitalize on those weaknesses.
 
Quote from matador04:

How do these traders operate? How can they move the market just to stop me out then let the price drift back up?

I am a stop loss hunter. Do you have any problems with that?
 
Quote from matador04:

How do these traders operate? How can they move the market just to stop me out then let the price drift back up?

we r All coming for your TraDinG AcC0unt!
 
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