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[Ditch]

Quote from stockerup:

Unfortunately, it is not; but just think of what it would have been if Gore had got in. 911 would have happened regardless who became president. I just can't imagine Gore being able to deal with it. He probably would have said OBL was being too snippy.

It's true that a lot of people don't like Bush; but you got to agree that the rest of the world does not look at America as a paper tiger any more. The war started on 911; it came to us, and I for one have not forgotten about all those people who got killed. The reality of it is that it is not over, and we have to go to bed every night defending ourselves. My question to you is who do you want defending us: someone who will fight or someone who will coward down like the new leadership of Spain is doing? I don't know if you are an American by the way you're talking, but if you are, you need to quite throwing off on Bush and start respecting him as our leader. If things change after the election, then so be it; but right now Bush is our president , and I think we should respect him.

Stockerup,

I'm not an American, if you want to respect George Bush for the position he occupies, that's your choice, i'd rather judge someone by his deeds and so far George Bush hasn't displayed the slightest understanding of how to deal with religious fanatics. Traditional warfare isn't the solution. I thought, your leaders would have understood that by now.

 

[stockerup]

Quote from lindq:

Stockerup - you entirely miss the point. Going into Iraq had absolutely NOTHING to do with 9/11, except in George Bush's mind.

The UN told him it had nothing to do with 9/11, some of his advisors told him it had nothing to do with 9/11, the French and Germans told him it had nothing to do with 9/11 and he has NEVER been able to make a link. But he put our armed forces, our status in the world community,and our future at great risk, all based on a "hunch".

I have all the respect in the world for the Presidency, but certainly NOT for this President.

I agree with you on Iraq, however, our congress was behind him, and so was most of the people I talked to just before we went to Iraq. It was a miscalculation, but only time wise. Sooner or later we would've had to deal with Saddam. I'm just glad we have done it before he was able to get WOMD.
In every war there are mistakes and miscalculations, but that does not give anyone the right to discount a president's entire administration.

I have seen several presidents now, but I must say without a question, I have never seen so much hit one president as the things that Bush has had to face. I personally think he has done a fantastic job. Until you can do better or have a better course of action-- which I doubt you do-- I say to you and all others: Don't throw off on our leadership!

 

[Gordon Gekko]

Quote from Ditch:

...George Bush hasn't displayed the slightest understanding of how to deal with religious fanatics. Traditional warfare isn't the solution. I thought, your leaders would have understood that by now.

just curious what your solution is

 

[stockerup]

Quote from Ditch:

Stockerup,

I'm not an American, if you want to respect George Bush for the position he occupies, that's your choice, i'd rather judge someone by his deeds and so far George Bush hasn't displayed the slightest understanding of how to deal with religious fanatics. Traditional warfare isn't the solution. I thought, your leaders would have understood that by now.

You're right, I do have the choice to respect my President, and I do choose to do that. I am thankful for that freedom. I don't know what country you're from, but I have been to other countries where they don't have the freedom as we do in America. I hope you are not in one of those countries, and I certainly hope you have respect for your government.

As for dealing with these religious fanatics, just how do you propose we do it? Just the very concept of "fanatic" tells you something, or do you not hear yourself talking. When you are dealing with people that will strap a bomb on themselves and commit suicide just to kill other innocent people, I find it hard to do any kind of dealing with them.

As far as judging, you have no right to judge anyone.

 

[pspr]

On the contrary, Ditch. Warfare is the ONLY solution. These people must be shown they will pay with their lives (especially the leaders) or we will never be done with them. This should have been done in the Clinton administration and we probably wouldn't have such a mess to clean up now.

Quote from Ditch:

Stockerup,

I'm not an American, if you want to respect George Bush for the position he occupies, that's your choice, i'd rather judge someone by his deeds and so far George Bush hasn't displayed the slightest understanding of how to deal with religious fanatics. Traditional warfare isn't the solution. I thought, your leaders would have understood that by now.

 

[Ditch]

Quote from stockerup:

You're right, I do have the right to respect my President, and I do choose to do that. I am thankful for that freedom. I don't know what country you're from, but I have been to other countries where they don't have the freedom as we do in America. I hope you are not in one of those countries, and I certainly hope you have respect for your government.

As for dealing with these religious fanatics, just how do you propose we do it? Just the very concept of "fanatic" tells you something, or do you not hear yourself talking. When you are dealing with people that will strap a bomb on themselves and commit suicide just to kill other innocent people, I find it hard to do any kind of dealing with them.

As far as judging, you have no right to judge anyone.

Stockerup,


Why do you think people do these kind of things? Very often because they've got nothing to lose.
Of course, i don't have the direct solution for dealing with terrorists, but sending an army to occupy a country and creating clompete chaos and therefore providing shelter to every lunatic in the world surely isn't making the world "a safer place". IMHO, all one can do to fight terrorists or extremists in general in the short term is through intelligence and infiltration. In the long run efforts should be directed towards removal of the conditions in which extremism can prosper, thus exporting the model of free enterprise and giving people hope and opportunity to create a better life for themselves.

 

[stockerup]

Quote from Ditch:

Stockerup,
Of course, i don't have the direct solution for dealing with terrorists...,


I think you just gave us your answer.

 

[Ditch]

Quote from pspr:

On the contrary, Ditch. Warfare is the ONLY solution. These people must be shown they will pay with their lives (especially the leaders) or we will never be done with them. This should have been done in the Clinton administration and we probably wouldn't have such a mess to clean up now.

These people don't give a shit that they're going to die, cause that will get them in virgin paradise.

 

[pspr]

Like I said before, they can line up and we'll be more than happy to send them on their way.

Quote from Ditch:

These people don't give a shit that they're going to die, cause that will get them in virgin paradise.

 

[gamalruach]

Quote from pspr:

Here is our problem. We're not sending these a-holes to meet Allah fast enough. We need to make sure they all get their chance real soon to get their virgins, smooth skinned boys and what ever else Allah has for them. Maybe if they would quit hiding in holes in the ground and line up for us we could get them to where they want to go sooner.

No, the "smooth skinned boys" are for the Catholic "fathers."

gsr