Stochastics and MACD Histogram for daytrading?

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My primary interest is daytrading,
Brokers love daytraders, they generate hefty commissions.

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Anyone have any recommendations?
Have some unemployment claim forms handy, as all daytraders lose money, in the long run.
 
I agree that MACD and Stoch are good for confirmation but I dont base my trades on thier signals. I use EMA's to guage direction(shorter term EMA, and a return to value(longer term EMA). If the short term ema crosses through the longer term EMA I buy if the EMA returns to the EMA and then bounces up, I buy. I do the opposite on the short side. Also with the volatility the market shows in the opening 30 minutes I find MACD and Stoch pretty much useless during this time and I would say the same thing about the last 30 minutes as well.
 
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Unfortunately during the day I have been faked out with alarming consistency when following support lines on my stochastic charts(below 20%), support seems to show undersold, the Histogram then confirms mometum. Stochastics Chart seems to cross back over the 20% line. Yet stock seems to fizzle out and return back to undersold levels./B]


Paul, I use stochastics mainly as an entry signal and sometimes to guide my exits as well. You have to be careful not to depend on them exclusively, because other factors come into play that override them. The market direction is important. If using oversold stochs (below 20%) for a long entry signal, ask yourself:

a) is the overall market trend up? (Don't fight the market unless you're looking to grab a small move.)

b) is this oversold condition a new low for the day (LOD) or is it a higher low? (Failure to make a new low is a strong long signal, but man who tries to pick bottom is often left with stinky fingers.

c) where is the stock trading compared to its range on a 30- or 60-day chart?

d) is the volume on rallies stronger than the volume on declines?

These are just a few of factors to consider. (And it's the opposite for shorting, but sounds like you have a long bias.)

One other thing I've observed about stochastics is that if the line moves in a steep, uninterrupted trajectory from overbought to oversold (or vice versa) and pivots sharply, the reversal is usually strong enough to make for a profitable trade.

The nice thing about using highly overbought/oversold stochastic entries is that you can set a tight stop to limit risk, because obviously if it's truly overbought or oversold, the trade should move in your favor.

Hope that's helpful!

Donna
 
Thank you that makes a lot of sense, I also have made the mistake or relying much to heavily on the 133 tick chart.

I will be looking at the 1 minute, and 5 minute also.
 
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Paul, I use stochastics mainly as an entry signal and sometimes to guide my exits as well. You have to be careful not to depend on them exclusively, because other factors come into play that override them. The market direction is important. If using oversold stochs (below 20%) for a long entry signal, ask yourself:

a) is the overall market trend up? (Don't fight the market unless you're looking to grab a small move.)

b) is this oversold condition a new low for the day (LOD) or is it a higher low? (Failure to make a new low is a strong long signal, but man who tries to pick bottom is often left with stinky fingers.

c) where is the stock trading compared to its range on a 30- or 60-day chart?

d) is the volume on rallies stronger than the volume on declines?

These are just a few of factors to consider. (And it's the opposite for shorting, but sounds like you have a long bias.)

One other thing I've observed about stochastics is that if the line moves in a steep, uninterrupted trajectory from overbought to oversold (or vice versa) and pivots sharply, the reversal is usually strong enough to make for a profitable trade.

The nice thing about using highly overbought/oversold stochastic entries is that you can set a tight stop to limit risk, because obviously if it's truly overbought or oversold, the trade should move in your favor.

Hope that's helpful!

Donna

Actually I do most of the following:

a) is the overall market trend up? (Don't fight the market unless you're looking to grab a small move.)

b) is this oversold condition a new low for the day (LOD) or is it a higher low? (Failure to make a new low is a strong long signal, but man who tries to pick bottom is often left with stinky fingers.

c) where is the stock trading compared to its range on a 30- or 60-day chart?

d) is the volume on rallies stronger than the volume on declines?

The problem is the MACD Crossover anyway, is a lagging Indicator, I do intend to make more use of time charts, rather than tick charts.

I am also interested in shorting also. Most of my trades go from a minute or 2 to a few hours max.

The problem, I have found, is that there is little agreement, about the proper way to establish entry signals.

If it was simple, I guess we would all be rich. I appreciate your comments though!
 
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Stochastic
Sto·chas"tic (sto*kãs"tĭk) adjective
[Greek - to guess]

Ok, do you daytrade, if you do, how do you establish entry points?

I was reading Jack Hersheys analysis, everyone seemed to jump all over him. The flaw is that the MACD crossovers come to late.
 
Indicators are a reflection of what price has done.

Know how the indicator works then watch the price.
What does the price have to do before the MACD or Stochastics cross?
If you have to use indicators you might as well be a step ahead of them.
 
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Ok, do you daytrade, if you do, how do you establish entry points?

I was reading Jack Hersheys analysis, everyone seemed to jump all over him. The flaw is that the MACD crossovers come to late.

Whatever you use an indicator remember it only shows an area of a potential trade set-up. Price MUST be the ultimate trigger. Look at what occurs in price immediately following your indicator setting up an trade area.
 
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