Steven Cohen’s Hedge-Fund Comeback Shoots for a Record Target: $20 Billion

This thread is hilarious. Cohen has more talent in his left testicle then most on this site. The guy has been trading since he was 16. If insider trading was so lucrative then the entire hedge fund industry wouldn't have the dismal performance it now has. Gotta love this site.

You just compared yourself to a bald Jewish guy's left testicle. Amazing times we live in.

So many traders have had good runs but the market changes and they make nothing, then they leverage their earlier success into a criminal venture. It's smart, don't get me wrong, but it has little to do with actual trading.
The debate isn't about him being smart or having talent, it's about his criminal behavior.
 
You just compared yourself to a bald Jewish guy's left testicle. Amazing times we live in.

So many traders have had good runs but the market changes and they make nothing, then they leverage their earlier success into a criminal venture. It's smart, don't get me wrong, but it has little to do with actual trading.
The debate isn't about him being smart or having talent, it's about his criminal behavior.

The guy has a 40 year track record. You call that a good run? LOL. Please just stop. He has a whole team of portfolio managers that trade every market in the world. I would venture to guess that 99% of all transactions didn't involve insider trading. Most of the portfolio managers are independent of each other. In fact, I knew a few guys who worked for him. They actually competed against each others books. Please educate yourself more before speaking on these matters.
 
The guy has a 40 year track record. You call that a good run? LOL. Please just stop. He has a whole team of portfolio managers that trade every market in the world. I would venture to guess that 99% of all transactions didn't involve insider trading. Most of the portfolio managers are independent of each other. In fact, I knew a few guys who worked for him. They actually competed against each others books. Please educate yourself more before speaking on these matters.

Madoff had a 40 year "track record". His "team" has been convicted of insider trading, your guess doesn't mean much. Please educate yourself more before speaking on these matters.
 
As usual, that kind of words should be treated as inspirations!

I forgotten to mentioned that one of my ancestors owned the whole world, as told by God, to manage everything on earth.

Besides, not only I can know the names of top 3 wealthiest people on earth, I can also spell them correctly, some of the times. With the help of a little bit further education.
 
So if SAC is successful at raising twenty B I guess the peanut trading gallery believes the pension funds/fund of funds/foundations etc who pony up are all looking for a piece of the wink wink insider trading booty.
 
Madoff had a 40 year "track record". His "team" has been convicted of insider trading, your guess doesn't mean much. Please educate yourself more before speaking on these matters.
Your argument is equivalent to saying "my ex-wife was a bitch, thus all women are bitches". A few members of his team have been convicted. There are plenty of PMs in his shop that have zero chance of trading on the inside information - guys that do statistical arbitrage, trade govies etc. It's a shop with about a hundred PMs and most are not doing LS or any sort of fundamental analysis.
 
Your argument is equivalent to saying "my ex-wife was a bitch, thus all women are bitches". A few members of his team have been convicted. There are plenty of PMs in his shop that have zero chance of trading on the inside information - guys that do statistical arbitrage, trade govies etc. It's a shop with about a hundred PMs and most are not doing LS or any sort of fundamental analysis.

If he was insider trading, do you think he would've carefully selected the portfolios to do it or promoted a culture of anything goes?

https://www.ft.com/content/efda2ca2-ec69-11e6-930f-061b01e23655
 
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“Do you even know how to do this f—ing job?”

That’s the old Steve Cohen, back when he was lashing out at portfolio managers and analysts who weren’t able to answer questions about a company.

The “new” Steve Cohen – still unable to trade outside money until 2018 – has announced plans to launch a $20 billion fund starting next year.

It wasn’t long ago that we were talking about SAC Capital’s $1.8 billion settlement with the Securities Exchange Commission.

We also were talking about how former SAC managers Mathew Martoma and Michael Steinberg were trading custom suits for prison suits.

Cohen was charged with failure to supervise his troops, all while overseeing annual performance numbers that averaged 29% during his run at SAC Capital.

Those consistent numbers are rare as unicorn tears.

Still, the SEC never had enough evidence to take aim at Cohen.

Instead, the hedge fund pled guilty to insider trading (that had never happened before.)

SAC Capital settled the case with the SEC for 10 figures.

And Cohen was allowed togo back home to his balloon dog.

Unable to manage anyone else’s money for a few years, he started a family office.

However, since starting his $11 billion family office Point72 Asset Management, the returns haven’t been as incredible. The firm returned 1% in 2016 compared to the more than 9% gain from the S&P 500.

So what is Steve to do now?

After its 10-year look into his firm, he will raise a middle finger to the SEC and announce plans for the largest hedge fund launch in history. His goal: $20 billion (although most of the money will include his family office figures rolled into the AUM). To achieve this, he has said he will consider lowering his fees, which were once as high as 3% and 50% of all profits.

from FINALTERNATIVES

" However, since starting his $11 billion family office Point72 Asset Management, the returns haven’t been as incredible. The firm returned 1% in 2016 compared to the more than 9% gain from the S&P 500. "
 
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The guy has a 40 year track record...

...I would venture to guess that 99% of all transactions didn't involve insider trading...

So you are admitting that you guess that 1% of his transactions involved insider trading? That is illegal you know.

And all it takes is 99% of the transactions "on the outside" to lose, but 1% on the "inside" to win at much greater ratios, to = profit each quarter/year.
 
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