Stealing from society

[nutmeg]

Imo, the other point of your post brings to mind, plain old fashioned, civic responsibility.

When an out of work, blind lesbian desires to experience "childbirth", be my guest but not on my dime. When asked "How will you manage?" She replies, "We'll get by somehow." Wtf does that mean to me? Society is your somehow?

In the past, private charitable money aided the poor but somehow this wasn't enough to maintain a "deserving" lifestyle hence incentivize aid. The more you get the more you spend the more you need. The line goes around the block then two blocks then it becomes - just stay home we'll mail you a check (work for welfare, no way).

 

[Random.Capital]

Quote from morganist:

The government made no effort or took any risk when the product was produced it simply took it without any justification other than it is the law.

People vote for services provided for by the gov't. You can argue "right" or "wrong", but it's a democracy, and that's what people are demanding. To meet that responsibility, gov't has to raise money.

What's the problem, exactly?

 

[peilthetraveler]

Quote from unretired:

I would like to see a flat tax.
Just one tax at 10% period ... 5% to states 5% to Federal

No other taxes or fees whatsoever.
If fees or tickets or whatever remains ... then every single cent goes to schools.

Fail to budget your 5% ... get fired within 24 hours of the year end budget ... no exceptions ... period.

Dismantle the IRS entirely except for the department to handle yearly forms.

Every year during tax time tax forms are filled out but only to list preference where tax money is spent. [Roads schools etc.]

Each government must use 1/2 of their budget as the people demand and can adjust the remaining budget where it decides.

Nobody in governmental office gets special treatment for healthcare ...
they get only the same retirement with the term they serve.
They serve 1 term ... they get one term of pay as retirement or severance.
Two terms ... two terms.

Failure to honor what the people have voted for results in massive fines upwards of
$250,000 for pressing issues opposite of public sentiment.

Much like a speeding ticket. A citizens court is convened to see if the efforts to control the people were innocent or malevolent.

Third strike for going against the voters = jail term plus fine.

Good luck with that ever happening. It wont ever happen because it makes sense and the government doesnt like to do anything logical and sensible.

If by some miracle it ever did happen, I give it 20-30 years before politicians start having "crisis's" and "need" to change some things.

The founding fathers wrote the constitution hoping that none of the stuff that has happened today would ever happen. If they were alive today, they would probably say this doesnt look like the same country as they founded. (right after they say "help, let me out of here! Its so dark). Hehe...had to use that joke.

 

[unretired]

Quote from peilthetraveler:

Good luck with that ever happening.

Yeah ... I know ... but I do feel better thinking it for a moment.

Correction will come eventually. It always does.

 

[morganist]

Quote from nutmeg:


When an out of work, blind lesbian desires to experience "childbirth", be my guest but not on my dime. When asked "How will you manage?" She replies, "We'll get by somehow." Wtf does that mean to me? Society is your somehow?

In the past, private charitable money aided the poor but somehow this wasn't enough to maintain a "deserving" lifestyle hence incentivize aid. The more you get the more you spend the more you need. The line goes around the block then two blocks then it becomes - just stay home we'll mail you a check (work for welfare, no way).

I love that first line.

 

[rcaldwell]

Quote from nutmeg:

I have several thoughts. I don't mind paying taxes, plain old fashioned money, but I dislike the gov't requiring me to do things with no compensation.

The first that annoys me in particular is when the gov't requires a company to place a recycling receptacle for used plastic bags (WMT for example).

This is floor space I could use to sell goods, I pay utilities and property taxes and insurance for that 4 sq ft. I could use that space more productivly. The customer already took the bag home and now they are bringing it back for me to deal with.

Secondly, It is unfair to ask employers to verify a human being is qualified to work in this country. I am not a policeman. I don't want to check documents and qualify legal or illegal workers.

These are thefts of employers time and resources without compensation. We could be fined for refusing to do either.

Get Ready. You will be doing a lot more for them in the future.

 

[nutmeg]

Quote from morganist:

I love that first line.

Yeah, me too. Pretty extreme, but one I'll never forget because this " first line" is true, I did not make it up.

 

[morganist]

Quote from nutmeg:

Yeah, me too. Pretty extreme, but one I'll never forget because this " first line" is true, I did not make it up.

how many blind lesbians who want children can there be?

 

[nutmeg]

Quote from morganist:

how many blind lesbians who want children can there be?

Don't know, but apparently they hook up on the internet.


Fer instance,

"Hi! I am a legally blind lesbian in Utah but am currently married to a man- very long story. I want to meet some new contacts/frineds and chat with other blind lesbians bisexuals and queers- I am glad i found this site!"

 

[FreeMarketRider]

Great Thread - I sympathize and agree with the core sentiment of the OP.

on the blind lesbian thing - it could become an emerging trend - after all they don't have to look at the kids they have let alone care for them (being blind and gender confused) - they just want to be happy - we all deserve to be "special" and fulfulled - our politicians will insure our needs are met. I hope I haven't offended anyone - Hmmm, Is there a braille edition of Elite Trader?

I don't know how things got so far off the chain - but instinctively we all understand that the end user pays for it all - when the money (and credit) runs out - the "all" gets small.

Human behavior tends to go to extremes (good and bad) so it can't be any different for political or economic behavior. Most would agree that capitalism and democracy are a great paring to grow an economic system. That said, we seem to be loosing both of these at the same time. We all heard about that old Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times" - My take is that interesting times has arrived in spades

FWIW - I picked my screen name long ago (when I was much dumber) - The world should be so simple