Statins

In the Anglo-Scandinavian Cardiac Outcomes Trial (ASCOT), the effect of LIPITOR on fatal and non-fatal coronary heart disease was assessed in 10,305 hypertensive patients 40–80 years of age (mean of 63 years), without a previous myocardial infarction and with TC levels ≤251 mg/dL (6.5 mmol/L). Additionally, all patients had at least 3 of the following cardiovascular risk factors: male gender (81.1%), age >55 years (84.5%), smoking (33.2%), diabetes (24.3%), history of CHD in a first-degree relative (26%), TC:HDL >6 (14.3%), peripheral vascular disease (5.1%), left ventricular hypertrophy (14.4%), prior cerebrovascular event (9.8%), specific ECG abnormality (14.3%), proteinuria/albuminuria (62.4%).

In this double-blind, placebo-controlled study, patients were treated with anti-hypertensive therapy (Goal BP <140/90 mm Hg for non-diabetic patients; <130/80 mm Hg for diabetic patients) and allocated to either LIPITOR 10 mg daily (n=5168) or placebo (n=5137), using a covariate adaptive method which took into account the distribution of nine baseline characteristics of patients already enrolled and minimized the imbalance of those characteristics across the groups. Patients were followed for a median duration of 3.3 years.

LIPITOR significantly reduced the rate of coronary events [either fatal coronary heart disease (46 events in the placebo group vs. 40 events in the LIPITOR group) or non-fatal MI (108 events in the placebo group vs. 60 events in the LIPITOR group)] with a relative risk reduction of 36% [(based on incidences of 1.9% for LIPITOR vs. 3.0% for placebo), p=0.0005 (see Figure 1)].


WAIT........you took a supposed high risk group of people which you assume would have a high incidence of coronary heart disease and in the group of people who got a PLACEBO, there were 46 PEOPLE who had a coronory event? 46 out of 5,168 or .008%!!!

So if I did simply research where I collected 5,168 men who were older and had some health issues such as diabetes, smoking, family history of CHF and raised cholesterol and .008% of them had a coronary heart disease event, that indicates significance and that billions of dollars should be spent on a medication with bad side effects without $1 spent on diet and lifestyle changes?

How many of the 46 had a CHD event because of their weight, diet and lifestyle? Was never accounted for. 40 in the Lipitor group by the way....any way to know if the 6 person difference is solely atributable to cholesterol lowering without taking into account whether they were smoking, overweight or had a family history?

This study is shit.
 
Follow doctor's advice.....

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Lipitor and the like drug sales reps go out and visit all the doctors and pound them with information to convince them to prescribe their statin for any high cholesterol conditions. They are not out there pumping diet and exercise and lifestyle changes at all. I spoke with several doctors. They are not in a lab studying the effects of cholesterol and running test trials. The GP is reading hte literature put out and like a robot, high choelsterol? Here take this statin. My doctor was honest with me and said statins should be prescribed only for patients with previous serious CVD event or those in highest risk category.

Furthermore I am one of the few people who actually read in detail the study that was performed to support the finding of the FDA to permit statin use. Let me go dig up the numbers before you tell me to follow the advice of someone who is following the advice of a salesperson....
So you're saying published cardiologist with 30+ years experience running her own clinic at a major hospital don't do their own research. You know better because you read an article available to the public. How thorough. Another internet MD giving advance, you know how absurd you come across?
 
You advised everyone to listen to their doctors, I commented that most GPs are getting recommendation from the pharma sales people. Then you come back with some bull shit about a 30+ year cardiologist?

And you were also giving advance..or is the word advice
 
I made an accidental discovery yesterday, shopping in the Indian store. Amla, what is an Indian gooseberry is the best fruit to lower cholesterol levels..


.. My bad cholesterol was up a lot and I had to start taking it again. After a while my cholesterol was ok again.

I take 1 or 2 teaspoon of Terrasoul Superfoods Organic Reishi Mushroom Powder daily,
my level dropped to 60 when taking Crestor + Mushroom Powder together.
Note: mushroom powder makes you sleep like a chicken and also lower your blood pressure. If your blood pressure is low DON'T take it.

For good fat I take OmegaVia EPA 500 Omega-3 Fish Oil. High-Purity EPA-Only, the bad thing is the level will drop if I stop taking it.
 
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You advised everyone to listen to their doctors, I commented that most GPs are getting recommendation from the pharma sales people. Then you come back with some bull shit about a 30+ year cardiologist?

And you were also giving advance..or is the word advice
I never ever said gp, only specialist! You assumed I ment gp when i said doctor. You know cardiologist are Specialist, they are doctors also. But you knew that, right? whew...
 
From what I’ve heard, the body responses to statins by producing more cholesteral. Keep your blood sugar low through diet and regular excercise and your odds for avoiding cardiovascular issues go up.
 
Keep your blood sugar low

Speaking of blood sugar... Berberine is one of the few supplements that has very comparable results to prescription drugs. It lowers blood sugar AND cholesterol, beside other good things like BP lowering, and helping with weight control.

Since this is the statin thread, Berberine lowered TC by 19% in trials.
 
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