State Dept. Had Credible Intel On Attack 48 Hrs. In Advance.....

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Then WHY are we still in Afghanistan YEARS after we could have been out? According to you it can only be stupidity ergo Odumbo IS stupid.
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Probably Obamas biggest failing imo.Not nearly as big a fail as starting it and the Iraq war though

Romeny nor McCain offered alternatives on the issue and promised to still be in Iraq as well
 
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Probably Obamas biggest failing imo.




Not nearly as big a fail as starting it and the Iraq war though
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Of course it is, you just can't face it. We COULD have been completely out within months of him taking office. Every minute we've stayed beyond that it's Obama's war. This long afterward, who started it is now irrelevant as far as this point goes.
 
Bottom line, Good Intel, bad Intel, or no Intel, this happened on Obama's watch. Just like Bush get's saddled with 9/11, Obama owns this. And this is only the beginning.
 
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Bottom line, Good Intel, bad Intel, or no Intel, this happened on Obama's watch. Just like Bush get's saddled with 9/11, Obama owns this. And this is only the beginning.
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Good intel , bad intel is irrelevant.

Not being prepared is and to say the least our state dept and military are God awful terrible about not letting soldiers actually put bullets in their weapons* in self defense.

*I've experienced this BS first hand, I was given a fricken axe handle to guard an ammo dump (for a whole division). Jesus fvcking Christ I'm good but I ain't that good. (oh just in case people think I'm exaggerating I will disclose they let my partner carry a rifle and a 5 round clip, but he wasn't even allowed to load the magazine nor chamber a round.)

Security was so lax that with the minimal of planing the apple dumpling gang could have successfully raided.


see beirut bombing
The sentries at the gate were operating under rules of engagement which made it very difficult to respond quickly to the truck. Sentries were ordered to keep their weapons at condition four (no magazine inserted and no rounds in the chamber). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing
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Quite frankly our govt has never played to win in my lifetime.
 
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Good intel , bad intel is irrelevant.

Not being prepared is and to say the least our state dept and military are God awful terrible about not letting soldiers actually put bullets in their weapons* in self defense.

*I've experienced this BS first hand, I was given a fricken axe handle to guard an ammo dump (for a whole division). Jesus fvcking Christ I'm good but I ain't that good. (oh just in case people think I'm exaggerating I will disclose they let my partner carry a rifle and a 5 round clip, but he wasn't even allowed to load the magazine nor chamber a round.)

Security was so lax that with the minimal of planing the apple dumpling gang could have successfully raided.
see beirut bombing
Quite frankly our govt has never played to win in my lifetime.
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The good old rules of engagement. Gotta' love it. A big mistake we're making is contracting out security at our Embassy's. A couple of former Navy Seals with a few locals is no substitue for a 100 well armed Marines, weapons locked and loaded. Good as the Seals are, they had no chance to repel that attack. Numbers with superior fire power wins every time in that situation. This does of course assume that you let your people actually shoot someone.
 
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Well, by your logic that we can go back so far to blame another President, then I guess you agree, as you should, that Bush created the depression from all his war spending. OK to blame Clinton, but not OK to blame Bush. And, I think used the word hypocrite? Not so much now, right?
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luke. . . . mrbill addressed this to you, whats your response?
 
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