I doubt it. At best someone can post something and bump it up a notch.
Starting/Working for a Hedge Fund
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Hi PFT,
Interesting thread.
Amazing that you got your hedge fund off the ground using unaudited results.
I didnt think that could be done.
Can i ask you a few questions please coz Im curious:
What were your returns like, what was your worst year, what was maximum drawdown (peak to valley percentage), and over how many years was your track record?
Thanks.
Nizar.
Hi PFT,
I just had a question regarding your family members in the fund. Considering that they are your relatives, does that mean that they can invest in the fund without the normal financial rules for hedge funds? I mean like the 1 million net worth, 300,000 income a year for a household, or 250,000 a year income for individual (I believe these are the correct requirements).
So, did everyone in your family meet these rules in order to invest in your fund? Otherwise, are there rules where family members can invest in a fund even though they don't meet these requirements?
Looking foward to hearing from you...
Thanks a bunch
I just had a question regarding your family members in the fund. Considering that they are your relatives, does that mean that they can invest in the fund without the normal financial rules for hedge funds? I mean like the 1 million net worth, 300,000 income a year for a household, or 250,000 a year income for individual (I believe these are the correct requirements).
So, did everyone in your family meet these rules in order to invest in your fund? Otherwise, are there rules where family members can invest in a fund even though they don't meet these requirements?
Looking foward to hearing from you...
Thanks a bunch
In starting a hedge fund, one should take a look at the blue sky laws in your state and the states of your investors.
You may or may not have to register as an investment advisor depending on the state and number of investors IF you collect a management fee.
Most states have a De Minimis exclusion for investment advisors.
Thanks trackstar...
Im going to try to google the regulations and stipulations for "accredited" or non accredited investors, regarding hedge funds.
If anyone knows some great links, that would be greatly appreciated.
The SEC provides this information, but the way they present some of their information it seems like you must be a lawyer to accurately understand it. Any straightfoward and simple site that provides an in-depth definition would be perfect.
http://www.sec.gov/answers/accred.htm
Is this sufficient?
I also have a "Hedge Funds for Dummies" book, so I'll look into that too lol.
these hedge funds make their money by 'solicitiing' funds from wealthy market players.
these hedge fund 'investors' or players the fund is just trading firms or funds....it's not investing if you are getting 50% returns per year.
they make money or higher returns like 25% and above on 'trading' not by investing with buy and hold strategies.
these hedge fund 'investors' or players the fund is just trading firms or funds....it's not investing if you are getting 50% returns per year.
they make money or higher returns like 25% and above on 'trading' not by investing with buy and hold strategies.
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A few years ago I started a small hedge fund, which has grown into a fairly good sized hedge fund. Since I responded to this thread my Inbox has been hopping. I'll take a few moments and answer some questions I've received on this thread in the hopes that it will slow down my PM's
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117755&perpage=6&pagenumber=1
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The biggest question I received is, "How do I start my own hedge fund?"
Disclaimer: Everything I'm about to tell you is based on my experience and may or may not be the experience of everyone in the field or anyone who ventures to embark upon the field. You are required to verify all information for yourself and all included information should not be considered advice to buy, sell, or sell short, any financial instrument of any type, nor should it be considered advice on starting a hedge fund or investing in a hedge fund. You, "the reader," need to seek advice on all matters from Certified Public Accountants and Attorneys before starting a venture based on the information provided below:
The first thing you need to do is do as much research on hedge funds as you possibly can. You can start with the following links and Google "Regulation D" and all of the various rules that fall into Regulation D. Also, be aware of the difference between an "accredited" and "non-accredited" investor. These are sometimes referred to as "qualified and non"
http://www.greencompany.com/HedgeFunds/index.shtml
http://www.investmentlawgroup.com/
Go to: http://www.moneymanagerservices.com/ pay your $250 to join and read every document they have on their site. After you finish these steps you'll have an extremely good understanding about how hedge funds operate and what it takes to start one.
Let's talk returns...........in order to attract wealthy investors to your fund, assuming you don't currently have connections, you need to generate strong returns. A return of 10% per year will get no one's attention. A return of 523% per year, for example, will get jaw-dropping responses. If you mention a number like this you will have more inquiries than you know what to do with. However, and this is a very big however, you will attract some very intelligent and sophisticated investors who will ask some very important and prepared questions, which will focus primarily on risk. If you cannot demonstrate that you can generate strong returns with a minimal amount of risk, or reasonable amount of risk, you will not get many intelligent or affluent investors. I didn't start my fund until I could demonstrate that I could continue generating strong returns on a declining degree of risk. Until you can achieve this kind of performance you are not qualified to start a hedge fund. You have to have an incredible understanding of the relationship between <b>risk and reward.</b> High returns can be generated with declining amounts of risk but it's incredibly difficult. If you are generating 523%-type returns with a fully leveraged account you're not ready to start a hedge fund. Study the Sharpe Ratio and be prepared to tell your investors how you manage risk and balance the trade-off between risk and reward.
More on Returns.....if you have one negative year you will probably be out of business unless you have had many positive years prior to this bad year. Investors invest in these types of ventures with the full expectation of realizing strong returns. Oddly enough, investors are very familiar with the relationship between risk and reward and demand high returns in exchange for high risk. You have to be able to deliver these returns consistenly. One bad year out of 10 won't hurt you much but 3 bad years out of 4 or 5 and you'll be out of business.
Hedge Fund managers can and do often blow up. Obviously, this does signal the end of your fund but not necessarily the end of your career as a Hedge Fund manager. If you have a track record and you blow up it is highly likely you will get investors to help you start over if your blow up was caused by an unusual market event, such as the one we are experiencing now. That being said, however, you should be experienced in managing money through trending, non-volatile markets, and non-trending, volatile markets. If you don't have this experience you aren't ready.
The next question I received was something to the effect of, "How do I get a job at a hedge fund."
I tried in vain to get a job at a hedge fund and couldn't. In fact, I never even got an interview at a hedge fund so I started trading my own account and started my own hedge fund when I felt I was ready -- after many years, and many blown accounts.
It has been my experience that hedge funds only hire Ivy League-type graduates, unless you know someone in the industry. XYZ State isn't going to get it done, unfortunately. If you have an education from XYZ State it doesn't mean you can't go to Ivy League MBA. To get into this industry you have to do something that puts you head and shoulders above the crowd. Have you worked on or developed something "proprietary?" Have you been published? Do you trade now? If so, how are your returns? Show Hedge Fund managers that you have something to offer that other candidates don't. That's how you land these jobs. The competition is fierce. Everyone wants to work at a hedge fund. It's more likely that you'll be more successful starting your own hedge fund rather than trying to hook up with an existing hedge fund. The lines are long for these jobs.
Alright....all other hedge fund employees/managers are more than welcome to jump on this thread, if they so choose, to add to the limited amount of information I've just provided. I will monitor the thread from time to time and try to answer questions that arise. Please don't PM me because I have more PM's than I can possibly answer. If you have questions post them here for everyone to see.
Good trading to all!
to the first sentence-- yes, some hedgies are purely asset gatherers.
not sure what you mean by the 2nd part of your question/statement.
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PTF,
thanks for the thread, very well done.
I got some good info here.
thanks for the thread, very well done.
I got some good info here.