Starting a fund / raising capital

Quote from dazzwater:

Anyone can join ET forums which are free of charge. So I guess you've got to take the good with the bad.

Nice comeback though.

Nice comeback?

The man's lying about having a fundamental strategy that produces those returns.

If you all weren't so gullible, only if he told you which stocks were in that portfolio and what proportion of them were invested in the fund could we see passed those lies.

Now, doublet, which stocks did you invest in to produce your returns?
 
Quote from bwolinsky:

Nice comeback?

The man's lying about having a fundamental strategy that produces those returns.

If you all weren't so gullible, only if he told you which stocks were in that portfolio and what proportion of them were invested in the fund could we see passed those lies.

Now, doublet, which stocks did you invest in to produce your returns?

If you are so curious, read his past posts. He tells you what he invested in.
 
Would be nice if that were so.
You are ignoring the fact that half goes to taxes,
and business and living expenses
eat a good portion of the rest.

Quote from njrookie1:

I am confused by this:

"But surely if I sustain these results for 5 or 7 years, then raising several mil should be no problem? "

Assume you have 1/2 million of capital now. Let us the lower the performance to "only" 50% a year. If you can sustain this level of return for 5-7 years, you should have

from

0.5*1.5^5 = 3.8 million

to

0.5*1.5^7 = 8.5 million

Then you would already have your "several million". If the concern is scalability, then you should never manage OPM anyway.

I do not mean to sound mean. I have gone through similar thought processes again and again. The number just does not work out.

njrookie
 
Quote from bwolinsky:

Nice comeback?

The man's lying about having a fundamental strategy that produces those returns.

If you all weren't so gullible, only if he told you which stocks were in that portfolio and what proportion of them were invested in the fund could we see passed those lies.

Now, doublet, which stocks did you invest in to produce your returns?

The point here isn't whether his returns are real or not. The purpose of this thread is to learn what an individual trader needs in order to seed a hedge fund/start up his own firm. That is knowledge which I, and I believe most of us here, can certainly benefit from. It's not like he's bragging about his returns, unlike some other posts I've seen on ET during my short time here. I don't understand why you are trying so hard to prove he is lying, or how that is relevant to the topic at hand.

And 50% returns (or whatever figure he posted) certainly isn't impossible, especially during the credit-crunch years. Luck is a factor, of course, but you also have to be a good, disciplined trader to actually realize those returns.
 
Quote from the1:

I don't manage a hedge fund any longer. I wanted my life back so I switched from a CPO to a CTA. Everything changes once you take possession of OPM. As a CTA I can link my clients accounts to mine and then invoice them each month, depending on whether it was a profitable month. No, I'm not a Citco client.

pardon the ignorance, but what's CPO? CTA?
 
Quote from dazzwater:

pardon the ignorance, but what's CPO? CTA?

CPO:A CPO is an individual or organization which operates a commodity pool and solicits funds for that commodity pool. A commodity pool is an enterprise in which funds contributed by a number of persons are combined for the purpose of trading futures contracts, options on futures, or retail off-exchange forex contracts, or to invest in another commodity pool.

http://www.nfa.futures.org/nfa-registration/cpo/index.HTML

CTA: A CTA is an individual or organization which, for compensation or profit, advises others as to the value of or the advisability of buying or selling futures contracts, options on futures, or retail off-exchange forex contracts.

http://www.nfa.futures.org/NFA-registration/cta/index.HTML
 
A CPO is a Commodity Pool Operator. Think of a mutual fund manager except in the futures markets. A CTA is a Commodity Trading Advisor who can either advise clients on futures positions or trade a client's account using a power of attorney form that gets filed with the broker. I don't give any advice. I trade for clients. As a CTA you never take possession of the money so there is much less paperwork involved. As a CPO you do take possession so the paperwork is seemingly endless and you're always dealing with accountants and attorneys. Running a hedge fund really took the fun out of trading for me. When I switched to the CTA setup trading became fun again except for when the clients get nervous when I take a wallop every once in a while, and I definitely do :)

Quote from dazzwater:

pardon the ignorance, but what's CPO? CTA?
 
Thanks for the replies. Based on some credible comments and messages I've received, I am incrementally less hopeful of being able to raise any institutional money in the near term.

I suppose I may get lucky and find some one to invest a few mil with me despite the fact that I lack any organizational infrastructure, because my returns are very good, and because they happen to find me trustworthy. However, I am increasingly lead to believe that this scenario requires a bit of luck on my part. If any more people with some experience raising capital can add additional insight, it would be greatly appreciated.
 
Quote from macintash:

Your max daily DD "P to V" is more important then DD based only on monthly returns. Based on your monthly DD I would guess that your P to V DD has been 20%+ which is good, but when it comes to get OPM it might create a chalange. If you are looking some realistic advice here, you need to explain how much your daily DD has been.

Max daily DD during this period has been around 2%
 
Quote from Lights:

I'll save you alot of time and trouble and tell you.. Don't Bother.
Hundreds of succesful traders have gone this route and nearly everyone has failed, not because they did not perform, but because starting a fund with such small AUM will never amount to anything. Funds now charge 1% + 15-20% performance. Traders find that managing less than few million you're really making a plumber's salary. And when you're small, you'll stay small. No HNW will invest 7 figures in a fund where his assets are >50% of the fund's assets. You'll never grow by investors.. Your friends and family is the ceiling.

Funds should be created the right way which is to work for a reputable buyside firm, do that for 5 years at a minimum of $20 million under management in your book. Once you hit $50m, which is the line in the sand, people will find you.

For you, join a right prop firm. They will be your investor and increase your assets based on performance. After a year, they'll raise you millions in buying power at a much higher payout too. If you really do have what you claim in terms of returns past 2 years, many firms in Chicago and Ny will back you.

As I've said before, if i raise a few mil, it would not be for the fees, it would be to help get my name out there.

Also I don't see what a prop firm will offer me when I already get 7x leverage through IB, which ammounts to several million already on my capital of 0.73mm. I have no need for that level of buying power anyway.

I hear what you say about needing a certain amount of AUM before most investors start noticing you, though.
 
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