Stalin Man of Steel

insider trading · Aug 31, 2009

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"As far as Russia is concerned, he was the worst thing that could have happened to them."

In February 1956 Nikita Khrushchev, then first secretary of the Soviet Communist party, addressed the 20th Soviet Communist Party Congress in secret session. He devoted three hours to the systematic destruction of Joseph Stalin's image as a public hero.

Khrushchev is nothing compared to Stalin.The powerful country that Khrushchev had was built by Stalin.Khrushchev himself could have never done what Stalin did

Lucrum · Aug 31, 2009

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I am not saying that Stalin was right or that I agree with him,but there is a difference between killing for self preservation for him and his country then just killing for no logical reason

"Some of Stalin's unscrupulous methods worried even Lenin, who wrote, "Stalin is too rough." Stalin, however, was undisturbed by criticism. Grimly he undermined his rival Leon Trotsky, the Soviet Union's war minister and Lenin's former close associate. In 1925, a year after Lenin's death, Stalin forced Trotsky to resign as war minister and in 1927 expelled him from the party. Determined to eliminate the minority Trotskyite influence, Stalin exiled Trotsky from the Soviet Union in 1929 and had him assassinated in Mexico in 1940."

" In 1932-33 he created a famine in Ukraine and liquidated some 3 million kulaks through death by starvation. "

"In 1936 Stalin's ruthless methods again drew world attention. To consolidate his place as supreme dictator, he conducted a series of purges. Claiming that a number of Red Army officers and scores of old Bolsheviks were "plotting against the state," Stalin had them executed. Many of them were men who had helped Stalin in his drive to power."

http://history-world.org/stalin1.htm

IShopAtPublix · Aug 31, 2009

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Khrushchev is nothing compared to Stalin.The powerful country that Khrushchev had was built by Stalin.Khrushchev himself could have never done what Stalin did

I don't remember Stalin taking out his shoe and pounding and saying "we will bury you" Khruschev was a total knucklehead, while Stalin was calm and never raised his voice... Khruschev had an axe to grind because Stalin did not think highly of Khruschev (for good reason)

jficquette · Aug 31, 2009

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You're obviously just as ignorant as your opponents here if you think that.

Before his rise, most of Russians were illiterate serfs.

I don't think you knew that, did you?

Who you think gave the Chinese their schools and education?

Soviet education was the best in the world, bar none!

They went in 5th grade what your dumbass Americans go through in high school (and still don't learn).

American education system is fucked up. Look at all the idiots who voted for Obama if anyone wants proof(g).

However, Russia couldn't even feed themselves under Stalin. Health care didn't exist. Russia was nothing without is military machine.

John

Bakinec · Aug 31, 2009

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American education system is fucked up.

However, Russia couldn't even feed themselves under Stalin. Health care didn't exist. Russia was nothing without is military machine.

John

healthcare didn't exist

Russia went through lots of troubles in that short 20 years of time. When there is a World War going on, the last thing you're gonna care about is health care for the people.

I'm not sure though, maybe they had it, maybe they didn't, under his rule.

However, after the war, things got a lot better as resources got freed up and more could be done for the economy and the people.

in the 60's and 70's, there WAS free healthcare.

jficquette · Aug 31, 2009

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Stalin was the kind of leader needed after the Commies had created chaos in Russia, I agree, but it were the same Commies who inspired the rise of Nazism in the west.

The most important and powerful cause and factor that set in motion most of the terrible events of the 20th century were the Communist uprisings and their final revolution in Russia.

Had there been no Commies, had Nicholas stayed at the throne, there would be no Hitler, and there would be no WWII.

I agree. Without Lenin, no Stalin, without Stalin no Hitler and no WW2 and Cold War.

John

Lucrum · Aug 31, 2009

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Here is something you may not know. During WWII Germans captured Stalin's son and wanted to trade him for a general (stalin's son was a private or a low ranking soldier not an officer or senior officer), Stalin said "we don't trade privates for generals" End result, Stalin's son got executed by the germans. Talk about country first. Do you think Dubya in a similar situation would do something like that?

"It is not clear when and how he died. According to German official account, Dzhugashvili died by running into an electric fence in the Sachsenhausen concentration camp, where he was being held. Some have contended that Yakov committed suicide at the camp while others have suggested that he was murdered."

insider trading · Aug 31, 2009

Quote from Lucrum:

"Some of Stalin's unscrupulous methods worried even Lenin, who wrote, "Stalin is too rough." Stalin, however, was undisturbed by criticism. Grimly he undermined his rival Leon Trotsky, the Soviet Union's war minister and Lenin's former close associate. In 1925, a year after Lenin's death, Stalin forced Trotsky to resign as war minister and in 1927 expelled him from the party. Determined to eliminate the minority Trotskyite influence, Stalin exiled Trotsky from the Soviet Union in 1929 and had him assassinated in Mexico in 1940."

" In 1932-33 he created a famine in Ukraine and liquidated some 3 million kulaks through death by starvation. "

"In 1936 Stalin's ruthless methods again drew world attention. To consolidate his place as supreme dictator, he conducted a series of purges. Claiming that a number of Red Army officers and scores of old Bolsheviks were "plotting against the state," Stalin had them executed. Many of them were men who had helped Stalin in his drive to power."

http://history-world.org/stalin1.htm

Do you realize what a weak nation Russia was when Stalin took over,And the monster of a country it became under him ?

We are getting into philosophy when asking does the ends justify the means,but the results are not debatable that he turned Russia into the 2nd most powerful country in the world

Bakinec · Aug 31, 2009

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We are getting into philosophy when asking does the ends justify the means,but the results are not debatable that he turned Russia into the 2nd most powerful country in the world

That is true. It is not debatable.

However, neither are the means by which he achieved it.

In the end, I think both Hitler and Stalin were worth each other.

IShopAtPublix · Aug 31, 2009

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"It is not clear when and how he died. According to German official account, Dzhugashvili died by running into an electric fence in the Sachsenhausen concentration camp, where he was being held. Some have contended that Yakov committed suicide at the camp while others have suggested that he was murdered."

You think you are so cute putting up snippets? The point being here is that Stalin did not want to trade a general for his own son because his son was not a general or person of comparable rank.

Germans killed him.